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What would prevent that scenario?
A naval blockade, which is about to be imposed.
What would prevent that scenario?
A naval blockade, which is about to be imposed.
Yes, because a naval fleet is not at all vulnerable to nukes...
Let's discuss how dangerous those nukes might be. I believe it can be assumed they have less of them than there are fingers on a man's palm. Their magnitude can't exceed some 20 kt, if even they'd work at all in a combat situation. All modern armies are aware of nuclear weapon effects and are not very much vulnerable for nuclear attacks. Ordinary armoured units can provide enough protection for 95% of the personnel at the battlefield.
The only big threat would be them aiming the nuke at some city in the South Korea or Japan (I don't seriously believe in a chance of NK sending an ICBM over to the USA territory). This raises two big questions: what means do they have to deliver a nuclear device off the borders of their territory? How difficult is to detect and counter that?
Thus far, only two experimental underground explosions have been performed. This means, there is a chance of NK having built a device that is suitable for putting on a ballistic rocket, but this chance is slim. For a country that is conducting weapons development on their own, much more tests are required to guarantee having a reliable warhead technology.
In my view, the only chance of the North's nuke to be used is the opening shot of the war, taking by surprise. Or exploding it on their own territory on the ground as an act of desperation after an invasion has begun (but see above about near immunity of an army towards single nuclear explosions).
So is it true to consider it a real stopper?
What would be very worrying for S. Korea would be if N. Korea had developed or acquired nuclear artillery shells, like the ones developed by the USA in the 1950s... With all the artillery batteries aimed at Seoul from across the DMZ, if you fire 10000 rounds in an opening salvo, good luck trying to figure out which one is a nuclear warhead.
But given the history of deception and incursions of N. Korea, I agree that it would either be delivered by sea or maybe a commercial airplane, from Air Koryo, if you want an airburst over Seoul, or even Europe as it's Tu-204 "fleet" of 2 aircraft is no longer on Europe's blacklist (the list for safety concerns, maintenance issues, etc.)
The threat of a nuclear attack is no show stopper for a serious army. If you would get scared about even a small nuclear arsenal, you are in the wrong business today. You would have to be prepared to attack an opponent with even many nuclear weapons, even if you know that he will use them as terror weapons against civilians.
The faster you strike and work, the lower is the risk and the more the opponent is forced to waste the warheads on badly prepared strikes. You can't permit the opponent time - time allows getting nuclear weapons smuggled outside the country. If you want to deal with nuclear threats, you need to be consequent and deal with the whole package - from production to deployment.
The only big threat would be them aiming the nuke at some city in the South Korea or Japan (I don't seriously believe in a chance of NK sending an ICBM over to the USA territory). This raises two big questions: what means do they have to deliver a nuclear device off the borders of their territory? How difficult is to detect and counter that?
I seem to remember N Korea trying to launch a rocket into space and 'failed.' Whats funny, it landed in the Pacific -means it never even got close to orbit. Possible mechanical failures aside, how can it possibly be passed for a orbital vessel? Perhaps as they say, a long range missile coverup?
SEOUL, KOREA - South Korea's military was tracking four North Korean submarines which disappeared from their east coast base after conducting naval training in the East Sea earlier this week, a military official in Seoul said Wednesday (May 26), according to Yonhap News.
Locations of the North's four 300-tonne-class submarines have remained unknown for two days, the military official said, noting, "We are tracking the four submarines by mobilising all naval capabilities in the East Sea," the report said.
It added that the submarines left the Chaho base located near the Musudan-ri missile launch pad site in North Hamgyong Province in North Korea's northeast coast, according to the official.
Nobody wants a brawl with Pyongyang
19:52 25/05/2010
The most remarkable thing about the sinking of the South Korean warship Cheonan is that nobody wants to talk about it. Let's look back at the international responses to the catastrophe: South Korean President Lee Myung-bak reported that he would submit the case to the UN Security Council. His American counterpart Barack Obama described this reaction as fully adequate. Others issued statements and condemnations. And that was it, strictly speaking, although 46 sailors died in this disaster.
Everything that is now going on between North and South Korea is anomalous and anachronistic in international politics. That is, all of this should not have happened from the standpoint of logic and pure reason. But it happened anyway, and it turns out that there is no way out of this predicament and no good solution. And so, there will be a series of symbolic gestures, and then the matter will be forgotten.
Impossible? Well, why not? Not so long ago, in 2007, Israel bombed a facility in Syria. People died, although it is not clear how many. Israel still claims that the facility was part of Syria's military nuclear program, whereas Syria maintains it was a regular military base. The IAEA has been carrying out an inquiry for more than two and a half years. Nothing else has been done. It turns out anything is possible.
At first glance, everything seems more clear-cut with the South Korean warship. The international commission collected tangible evidence, including the fragments of a torpedo, and it became abundantly clear that that torpedo was launched from a North Korean submarine. It is also clear why the warship was hit - the two countries do not agree on the location of their maritime border. The South is convinced the warship was in its own waters, while the North is convinced of the opposite. The uproar started after the results of the inquiry were published. And most importantly, who would want to launch torpedoes at South Korean ships if not the North Koreans?
The point is that East Asian countries remember well how such cases play out. Remember, for example, the South Korean passenger Boeing that for some reason deviated from its planned route by 650 kilometers, flew into the Soviet air space and was shot down in 1983. The U.S.S.R. tried to defend itself - it explained that modern aircraft did not make such mistakes, and that the Boeing's flight path had intersected with the American Orion reconnaissance plane, after which it became nearly impossible to tell which plane was which on radar.
It later turned out that the pilots of the South Korean airline regularly collected footage of Soviet territory for the CIA. There was a trial in Seoul that caused a stir on a national scale, but by that time the Soviet Union no longer existed. So, as a result, the airliner story became something similar to the assassination of President Kennedy - everyone understands that the official version somehow does not answer all the questions, and seems a lot like a provocation. But it is impossible to get to the bottom of it all, and nobody really wants to.
In other words, doubts about the conclusions of such commissions will always remain. It is another mater during, for example, a high-stakes game between the U.S.S.R. and the U.S, when it is possible to stage a competent provocation. But what if there are no stakes and the Korean problem has come to a complete standstill? Perhaps this is the beginning of a tougher, less effective policy against the North by the current South Korean president? Seoul has made many mistakes of course, but not to the point of sinking its own vessels.
However, it is hard to imagine who would benefit from such a provocation in this part of the world today. Something similar could have taken place under the previous American administration. In fact, the six-party talks were undertaken by regional powers (China, Russia and South Korea) to prevent the Bush administration from turning the Korean peninsula into a global flashpoint. But now it is clear that Washington has lost its taste for adventure.
Pyongyang is unlikely to admit in the near future that some of its admirals made a mistake. Likewise, it is unlikely to pay any compensation (and money cannot compensate for the loss of human lives). Could the UN Security Council impose sanctions against Pyongyang? Maybe, but what would be the point? Isolating North Korea from the rest of the world makes no sense, if only because it is already isolated. And an invasion of North Korea would result in much heavier casualties than the attack on the Cheonan. Nuclear weapons do not change anything - it would have been the same if North Korea were armed with spears and bows. Perhaps it makes sense to call the government in Pyongyang inadequate? But then it should not have been cornered in the first part of the 2000s.
It was amusing to hear Obama announce his decision to "review" U.S. policy on North Korea. In English, "to review" an issue means to study it again in order to determine whether the policy is correct, in which case it can be left as it is. But in this case, there was almost no policy at all, so there is nothing to review.
In a vast majority of cases - wars, manmade disasters and other incidents - the most sensible thing is to do nothing at all. One of the reasons is that there are no perpetrators - just a big disaster. Those directly involved in these events are aware of this, and simply put on a show for the public that is supposedly always willing to name and punish those responsible, lest another disaster happen again. And so, it seems that under the circumstances the most courageous thing to do is to openly admit that any action is worse than inaction.
MOSCOW (RIA Novosti political correspondent Dmitry Kosyrev)
No, I think the Chinese allies in the background work much better as threat, than the potential nuclear weapons of NK. Or the existing chemical or biological weapons of them. Until some years ago, the nuclear program of NK was just a paper tiger. Without NK being wiped away. Without the Chinese being neutral in a future war, this will get really ugly.
As independent post mortem has revealed, it actually almost GOT there, but failed 3rd stage of the launcher prevented orbiting.