Rocketdued, I won't claim that you have not read the manuals, as I have no proof of it, but this whole thread is undeniably proof that you do not
understand the manuals, and that is what's most important. Now, I can understand that it may be confusing at first, since spaceflight, as pointed out, is completely different that flying an aircraft. If you don't understand, it is perfectly acceptable to come here and ask questions to help you understand, which is again what you did. Plaudits to you. However, instead of following the advice given, you've flat out rejected the information given to you, justifying you're actions by saying that you know how to fly, such as here:
i don't pretend to be any thing im not.
Yes, you do. Perhaps not knowingly, but you have pretended to be much, much more knowledgeable about space flight than you actually are. As you have been told, spaceflight is far different than atmospheric flight, but you don't
understand this. Your justification that there must be something wrong with the Delta-Glider because it's nose tilts down again proves that you have not taken the advice given. Claiming that a space craft, which spends 95% of it's time outside of the realm of aircraft, should function the same as an aircraft is akin to saying that a car should be able to drive on the water like a boat, just because the car periodically drives through puddles. It's ridiculous.
well ok then. there are real flightsimulator 2004 pilots to. and yes i know that there are pepole that know more then me about aviation. and thats greagt. i like to learn. if somebody shares some good information with me about flying thats good. so now that we have established that. when you look at the attitude indicator in orbiter and a cessna for example. because it's blue on top and brown on the bottom correct? whats the differrrence? NONE!!! now when you look at the heading tape on the top of oribters display and one in a fighter jet whats the differrence? NONE!!! so no maybe i don't know all there is to know about space flight. if any one tells ya they do is full of it.
You're right. Those things are very, very similar. Why? Because they are meant to be used when you are flying in the atmosphere, which is not what you are doing. Very rarely is the Surface MFD or Surface HUD used while in orbit, so those are not really a good comparison. In fact, there is no good comparison. Spacecraft are
different. While you are also right that no one here know's
everything there is to know about spaceflight, many do know a lot. Even I know somethings, and I learn more every day. I can guarantee you that you will also begin to learn more if you read and try to
understand the manuals- and most importantly- ask the right questions...
Urwumpe im going to pretend i didn't hear you say that. first of all i use flightsimulators to keep my skills as a pilot in the real world sharp!!! you remind me of one of those that say no inhstructor sir i don't need a flightsim i can fly any thing. well those kind of pepole scare me they really do. if you think a flightsimulators a waste of time well then the jokes on you my freind!!! if you know orbiter like you say you do lets see you go to nasa and try the REAL space flightsimulators they have:lol:
Urwumpe thats funny. and umm how many flying hours you have? you give me a really good laugh. you know that?
... but not like that.
I can assure you that Urwumpe's advice, along with that of the other 90% of people on these forums, is good advice. I would ask how many hours of flight you have, but there is no way to verify that information, so it'd be pointless. In fact, there is no way to verify that you have ever flown a flight simulator before; it's up to you to prove that to us. And from how you've acted in this thread, you're not really proving it. Until you do, most of us will assume you have very little understanding of flight, and therefore will most likely direct you to do things like read the manual.
As for advice, I recommend doing every tutorial in
Go Play in Space. I can assure you that, if you follow those instructions, you will be able to achieve a stable orbit. Heck, you might even
understand how you did it. Aside from Go Play In Space, there are multitudes of tutorials in the
Tutorial Page here on Orbiter Forum. Those too will help you out. The learning curve is steep, but it's manageable with some help. Also, don't forget to ask the right questions, but don't expect us to just tell you what, when, and how you need to do things. You'll need to know the why part too, and that can easily be found in the posts and tutorials already in this thread. If you want to get anywhere with Orbiter, you have to
understand what you are doing, not just know it.
