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Does DCS actually have carrier ops yet? Seems like without that, an F-14 would be somewhat lacking...
Hey guys, just wondering if DCS would be thinking of F-22 at all, or if they already did.
I mean, are the Su Flankers really able to beat the stealthy 22 and 35? The point was to make them stealthy for future combat of the enemy, but how do you do that when the enemy has better planes? Isn't it a waste of money?
Of course they can. Remember that during WW2, the USA won many air battles against Japan, despite initially having the worse material. Its a matter of tactic in the end, and if you know the capabilities of your enemy and your own capabilities, you will never lose a battle.
Also, the Flankers are maybe not stealthy, but highly agile. In BVR fight, the F-22 wins, but in close combat, the odds will change very likely, because the F-22 is only stealthy against radar, has made compromises in agility for stealth, lacks a IRST like the Russians have, still lacks HMD aimed missiles with off-boresight capability and still weights a lot.
Finally, remember that the F-22 is extremely expensive and still mostly designed against modern requirements: Its requirements had been defined at a time, before the iron curtain fell and the USA learned about the reality of the Russian aircraft.
And ultimatively: The F-22 is technologically so old, that any better industrialized country could build its own based on the F-22 technology, would too much of it become known. Keeping some secrets makes sense to the USA. But as you can see with the PAK, its possible to catch up.
A few things. First of all, being an American, I have been proud of the F-22, and now I think that would stink if that sleek jet lost against Su . Either way, that is understandable, seeing that it truly is in the circumstances, knowledge of enemy craft, and techniques.
Secondly, the F-22 is supposed to have increased turning and maneuvering abilities (it can boast that in a nearly-vertical takeoff), so would the Flankers have that much more agility?
Thirdly, I found this sort of funny, no offence, but the line you say "the F-22 is technologically so old that any better industrialized country could build its own based on the F-22 technology, would too much of it become known". What if we don't know enough? There could be some tech they are hiding from us :lol:. In that case, the F-22 would still be some sort of a secret.
Kamsa12 said:TIFU by attempting to start up a Mig-21 at an air show.
So, this happened last year October when Bulgaria held an air show of its air force and Surface-to-air capabilities. There were 2 mig-29s, 2 frogfoots and 2 Mig-21s doing the jet-based part. They flew around n stuff, landed and that was that. Now here comes the problem. They allowed people to sit in the cockpit of aircraft which were up in the air less than 30 minutes ago. They literally landed and parked them for people to enter. So, the aircraft we had had a little bit of a different cockpit from the one in DCS, I guess they were just different versions. Never the less, I waited in line and finally got to the point of going inside the cockpit.
This is where I ed up
Upon entering, I felt the stick, twiddled the glass on the radar screen a little bit and started looking around. By accident, I spotted the battery switches, which looked like this inside the cockpit http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/MiG-21MF_Cockpit.jpgMy country has like 2 or 3 variations of the Mig-21 left in its already small inventory, the other 220 mig-21s were taken away due to limitations set to our air force. So, after seeing the battery switch, I decided *what can happen, they must've shut it down or something, so, it. Bad choice. So, upon pressing that, the whole cockpit lit up and made a very low buzz. Oh god. It worked. The guy who was at the ladder didn't notice, so I decided to flip up something else. I do not remember what it was, but the aircraft screamed at me. It was a sharp, loud tone which lasted around 2 seconds. I froze in the seat and looked to my left, where the ladder was. The guy was looking at me dead straight in the face and immediately yelled at me to get out. Because I am 17, they asked me why I did it and if I had any relation to islam or terrorists. I said I just wanted to touch and twiddle with the switches, and they kicked me out of the air show.
tl:dr I went to the air show of my country's air force and got kicked out for trying to steal one of the only jet fighters they had. Would try again.
The trick is what the glossy brochures are not saying: How energy-efficient is the F-22? Not like a car, but rather, when you pull a 6g turn, how much velocity would you lose to drag and how much thrust and fuel would you need to compensate? The F-22 gets a lot of its agility from its two dimensional TVC, which is no replacement for aerodynamics, it only allows you to reach AOAs that would be out of reach by normal means and still remain controllable at AOAs, at which its wings have already stalled. The Su-27 and the Su-35 are the much cleaner aircraft in that category, despite the relatively primitive engines.
You can be my wingman any time!
So, lets say Su-27 and F-22 in a locked turn. The F-22 would be able to turn in and get the Su. Why? The answer is in thrust vectoring. While Su may be more efficient in drag during an aerodynamic turn, the F-22 can maneuver on stalled wings and turn faster, inside of an Su turn. Obviously, in a dogfight, this is what gives one the advantage, because once your are in a locked tail follow, neither wants to give up their position. Its a fight for being behind the opponent, and because of thrust vectoring, even if it is stalling, it is turning it's nose faster, putting the enemy in front of the pilot.
What we can only guestimate is, how this is really for the F-22. The TVC allows it to reach similar performance specs as a Su-27 with light weapon load and no TVC - the Su-35 has slightly worse aerodynamics from what I have heard but adds a much better TVC than the F-22 has.
Sorry, may you restate what TVC is?