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Not just metals. They found hydrocarbons as well. They're saying it came from jet fuel residue...

Well, look at their talking there...

Spectral analysis works by analyzing electromagnetic radiation. Mostly in the infrared region.

The problem is: Which multi-spectral camera is currently in Earth Orbit, that can tell such substances apart without getting distracted by all the junk in the oceans of Earth?

Their homepage shows a Galileo satellite BTW, a European satellite navigation system - the homepage is also a load of rubbish.
 
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In any case, what was the black box sound heard in the current search area then?

Submarine? Broadcasting fake signals to throw off the search efforts and hide the truth?

I'm really surprised someone like Alex Jones hasn't suggested this by now.
 

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the homepage is also a load of rubbish.
Yeah, the "under construction" sign on the "About GeoResonance technology" link does not exactly inspire confidence.
 

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/29/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

"The company is not declaring this is MH370, however it should be investigated," GeoResonance said in a statement.
The company's director, David Pope, said he did not want to go public with the information at first, but his information was disregarded.
"We're a large group of scientists, and we were being ignored, and we thought we had a moral obligation to get our findings to the authorities," he told CNN's "New Day" on Tuesday.
 

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Just keep looking in the ocean, maybe if you look hard enough you'll see your reflection.

Never mind that man behind the curtain.
 

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GeoResonance said it analyzes super-weak electromagnetic fields captured by airborne multispectral images.
What?

GeoResonance's technology was created to search for nuclear, biological and chemical weaponry under the ocean or beneath the earth in bunkers, Pope said.
Oh? What happened to "for searching for oil and other minerals"?

This is getting more and more "interesting" by the moment.

Kind of reminds me of that guy who "enhanced" a single-pixel image of Pluto into a resolved disk with details by a "proprietary technique" of applying photoshop filters at random until a pretty result happened.

A pity. They sounded kind of plausible early on.
 

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The problem is: Which multi-spectral camera is currently in Earth Orbit, that can tell such substances apart without getting distracted by all the junk in the oceans of Earth?

What about residues in the atmosphere as well due to other aircraft flying around?
 

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Which multi-spectral camera is currently in Earth Orbit, that can tell such substances apart without getting distracted by all the junk in the oceans of Earth?

A more interesting question is the identity of the satellite they're using. Since they don't realize the wrong one's on their website to begin with.
 

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A pity. They sounded kind of plausible early on.

That's the danger of media news - they often don't know their ass from their elbow when it comes to anything, especially technical and scientific matters, and they happily trumpet (a.k.a advertise for free) anything that sounds plausible to a layperson that anyone half-way versed in the field would dismiss with 2 seconds of thought and maybe a quick Google search.

There is a lot of bad information out there, be careful.
 

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More news:

"I'm an engineer, so we don't talk emotions too much." Those were the words of Captain Mark Matthews of the U.S. Navy shortly after the Australian Defense vessel "Ocean Shield" had discovered a series of pings in the southern Indian Ocean.......more
 

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A new phase of the search is to begin, aimed at searching approximately 60,000 sq. km of the ocean floor. This phase will also be much more expensive, estimated by Australia to be approximately $ 60 million.

CNN
 

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Not that I want them to, but at what point would the search be called off if it continues coming back with no results?

The ocean floor is big, we simply can't search all of it...
 

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Malaysian government publishes MH370 details from UK AAIB

Finally......

Malaysia’s Ministry of Transport has published an article detailing how Inmarsat helped to pinpoint the southern corridor flight path taken by MH370.

It reports that Inmarsat informed them on 13 March that routine automatic communications between the Inmarsat satellite and MH370 could be used to determine several possible flight paths.

The UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) then presented Inmarsat’s most recent findings on 24 March, indicating the southern corridor.

The report states that the calculations were made using the automatic ‘pings’ sent to the satellite via the ground station and the aircraft after it vanished.

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It explained that if the ground station does not hear from an aircraft for an hour it will transmit a ‘log on/log off’ message – a ‘ping’ – and the aircraft automatically returns a short message indicating that it is still logged on, a process described as a ‘handshake’.

The ground station log recorded six complete handshakes after ACARS, the aircraft’s operational communications system, stopped sending messages.

Inmarsat was then able to calculate the range of the aircraft from the satellite, and the time it took the signal to be sent and received, to generate two arcs of possible positions – a northern and a southern corridor.

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The report goes on to explain that Inmarsat developed a second innovative technique that took into account the velocity of the aircraft relative to the satellite and the resulting change in signal frequency, known as the Doppler Effect.

The Inmarsat technique analysed the difference between the frequency that the ground station expected to receive and the one actually measured, known as the Burst Frequency Offset.

To check its theory, Inmarsat compared its predictions with six other B777 aircraft flying on the same day in various directions, which resulted in a good match.

The analysis fitted well with the southern corridor, according to the report, and depending on the ground speed of the aircraft, it was then possible to estimate positions at 00:11 UTC – when the last complete handshake took place.

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The Malaysian government statement emphasised that the last handshake should not be interpreted as the final position of the aircraft because of evidence of a partial handshake between the aircraft and ground station at 00:19 UTC.

No response was received from the aircraft at 01:15 UTC, when the ground earth station sent the next log on/log off message, indicating that the aircraft was no longer logged on to the network, it added.

Therefore, at some time between 00:11 UTC and 01:15 UTC the aircraft was no longer able to communicate with the ground station – consistent with the maximum time the aircraft was able to fly, the article concluded.

The Malaysian investigation has now set up an international working group, including agencies with expertise in satellite communications and aircraft performance, to take this work forward.

Source: http://www.inmarsat.com/news/malays...-uk-aaib/?_ga=1.51963756.458415948.1399573955

And an even more detailed article:http://qz.com/207621/the-official-explanation-of-what-happened-to-flight-mh370-doesnt-hold-up/

On top of that we also have this....

MH370: Black box 'pings' may actually have come from satellite tracking devices tagged to marine animals

Archaeologist William Meacham wrote: "For several decades, pingers with frequencies of 30 to 50kHz have been commonly used to track large, deep ocean animals."

The 'pings' thought to have emanated from missing Flight MH370's black box recorders might actually have come from satellite tracking devices tagged to marine animals such as sharks and turtles, it has been claimed.

The suggestion, put forward by archaeologist and writer William Meacham, raises the prospect that search authorities are looking in the wrong place for the plabe, which disappeared on March 8 with 239 people on board.

Writing in the Malaysian Insider, Mr Meacham, who is affiliated with the University of Hong Kong, said: "For several decades, pingers with frequencies of 30 to 50kHz have been commonly used to track large, deep ocean animals.

"Location and other data is transmitted to receivers in the ocean or to satellites whenever the animal surfaces.

"Acoustic pingers are also widely used as fishing net protectors, to drive away predators that would steal fish."

Source: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/mh370-black-box-pings-actually-3511000
 

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Its not MHz, but kHz and it is not about radio, but about sonar.

But I never heard of sonar getting used that way... still strange.
 

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Is there any evidence it has crashed? and not hijacked,....
 
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