Request Artemis landers

[Gargantua2024]

Thanks...there's no Vulcan rocket yet on Orbiter though

 

[barrygolden]

Yes really close. I think Artemis 3 will not have a LER so might look to fold up a chariot some where and an equipment box.

 

[barrygolden]

I had no joy with the launch support but did think about the OMV as both a launch mount and to get the ALPACA into orbit.

 

[gattispilot]

Here are some Vulcan Centaur meshes and textures. If someone wants to put together an ini,.....

I am not happy with the bottom texture. Maybe someone can fix it?

I fix the 1stage which is referred as the booster.

https://www.ulalaunch.com/docs/default-source/rockets/vulcancentaur.pdf?sfvrsn=10d7f58f_2

Based off this:

https://www.ulalaunch.com/docs/default-source/paper-rocket-models/vulcanpapermodelkit.pdf

Thanks...there's no Vulcan rocket yet on Orbiter though

 

[gattispilot]

Regarding the sls. Seems a bit off the pad?

Tank sticking thru:

tanks not right?

 

[Gargantua2024]

Regarding the sls. Seems a bit off the pad?

Weird....it was aligned on my installation

tanks not right?

Oh I lowered the droptanks on the earlier SLS+ALPACA test on the previous page:

MESH_1_NAME = dyneticstANK
MESH_1_POS = 6.1 0.1 0
MESH_1_DIR = 0 0 1
MESH_1_ROT = 0 1 0
MESH_1_VIS = 1

MESH_2_NAME = dyneticstANK1
MESH_2_POS = -6.1 0.1 0
MESH_2_DIR = 0 0 1
MESH_2_ROT = 0 1 0
MESH_2_VIS = 1

...also adjusted the Jettison Events to reflect the changes above

EVENT_0_ID = 0
EVENT_0_NAME = Jettison 1
EVENT_0_TYPE = 1
EVENT_0_TRIGGERTYPE = 2
EVENT_0_REPEAT = 0
EVENT_0_KEY = 36
EVENT_0_KEYMOD = 0
EVENT_0_SPAWNEDCLASS = Stage
EVENT_0_SPAWNEDNAME = DyneticsTANK
EVENT_0_SPAWNEDOFS = 6.1 0.1 0
EVENT_0_SPAWNEDVEL = 2 -0.5 0
EVENT_0_SPAWNEDROTVEL = 0 0 0
EVENT_0_SPAWNDELMESH = 1

EVENT_1_ID = 1
EVENT_1_NAME = Jettison 2
EVENT_1_TYPE = 1
EVENT_1_TRIGGERTYPE = 2
EVENT_1_REPEAT = 0
EVENT_1_KEY = 36
EVENT_1_KEYMOD = 0
EVENT_1_SPAWNEDCLASS = Stage
EVENT_1_SPAWNEDNAME = DyneticsTANK1
EVENT_1_SPAWNEDOFS = -6.1 0.1 0
EVENT_1_SPAWNEDVEL = -2 -0.5 0
EVENT_1_SPAWNEDROTVEL = 0 0 0
EVENT_1_SPAWNDELMESH = 2

 

[gattispilot]

Thanks. I must be using a wrong mesh? Tanks in the correct location. But the tank in front is 180 degrees out?

This is what I have.

MESH_1_NAME = dyneticstANK
MESH_1_POS = 6.1 0.1 0
MESH_1_DIR = 0 0 1
MESH_1_ROT = 0 1 0
MESH_1_VIS = 1

MESH_2_NAME = dyneticstANK1
MESH_2_POS = -6.1 0.1 0
MESH_2_DIR = 0 0 1
MESH_2_ROT = 0 1 0
MESH_2_VIS = 1

Looking at Tank and Tank1 they seems to facing the same direction. both should be facing inside so those hook can attach.

 

[Gargantua2024]

Tank1 supposed to be the mirror copy of the original Tank mesh...try replacing it with this:

 

[gattispilot]

THanks. That fixed her

 

[Gargantua2024]

Vulcan-Centaur test 1....

All meshes are lying onto their sides instead of standing up...
Draft MS2015.ini:

[MISC]
cog=7
FOCUS=1

[TEXTURE_LIST]
TEX_1=Exhaust2
TEX_2=Exhaust_atsme
TEX_3=SLS_2016\SLS_SRB_contrail

[PARTICLESTREAM_1]
NAME=AV7contrail
SRCSIZE=1.0
SRCRATE=800
V0=100.0
SRCSPREAD=0.01
LIFETIME=0.2
GROWTHRATE=-1
ATMSLOWDOWN=2
LTYPE=EMISSIVE
LEVELMAP=LVL_PSQRT
LMIN=0
LMAX=1
ATMSMAP=ATM_PLOG
AMIN=1e-7
AMAX=1
TEX=contrail3

[PARTICLESTREAM_2]
NAME=AV7contrail2
SRCSIZE=3.0
SRCRATE=800
V0=300.0
SRCSPREAD=0.07
LIFETIME=0.10
GROWTHRATE=-20
ATMSLOWDOWN=2.0
LTYPE=EMISSIVE
LEVELMAP=LVL_PSQRT
LMIN=0
LMAX=1
ATMSMAP=ATM_PLOG
AMIN=0.7e-7
AMAX=1
TEX=contrail3

[PARTICLESTREAM_3]
NAME=SRB_contrail
SRCSIZE=1
SRCRATE=12
V0=30
SRCSPREAD=0.05
LIFETIME=0.5
GROWTHRATE=3
ATMSLOWDOWN=0.3
LTYPE=EMISSIVE
LEVELMAP=LVL_PSQRT
LMIN=0
LMAX=1
ATMSMAP=ATM_PLOG
AMIN=1e-6
AMAX=1
TEX=contrail2
GROWFACTOR_RATE=6
GROWFACTOR_SIZE=0.2

[PARTICLESTREAM_4]
NAME=SRB_exhaust
SRCSIZE=1
SRCRATE=12
V0=50
SRCSPREAD=0.05
LIFETIME=15.5
GROWTHRATE=3
ATMSLOWDOWN=0.3
LTYPE=DIFFUSE
LEVELMAP=LVL_PSQRT
LMIN=0
LMAX=1
ATMSMAP=ATM_PLOG
AMIN=1e-6
AMAX=1
Tex=SLS_2016\SLS_SRB_contrail
GROWFACTOR_RATE=6
GROWFACTOR_SIZE=0.2

[PARTICLESTREAM_5]
NAME=mach
SRCSIZE=4.5
SRCRATE=50
V0=1
SRCSPREAD=0.1
LIFETIME=0.125
GROWTHRATE=0
ATMSLOWDOWN=4
LTYPE=EMISSIVE
LEVELMAP=LVL_PSQRT
LMIN=0
LMAX=2
ATMSMAP=ATM_PLOG
AMIN=0.7e-7
AMAX=1
TEX= contrail1

[FX_MACH]
pstream=mach
mach_min=0.8
mach_max=1.1
off_1=(0,0,30)
dir=(0,0,-1)

[BOOSTER_1]
N=1
MeshName="VulcanSRB"
Height=19.5
Diameter=1.55
EmptyMass=4000
FuelMass=36824
Thrust=1275300
angle=180.
off=(0,0,0)
BurnTime=100
eng_1=(0.25,0,-10.5)
eng_diameter=0.5
ENG_PSTREAM1=srb_exhaust
ENG_PSTREAM2=srb_contrail

[STAGE_1]
Height=32
Diameter=5.4
EmptyMass=20743
FuelMass=284089
Thrust=4153416.7
BurnTime=238
off=(0,0,0)
speed=(0.,0.,-5.)
ENG_1=(0,0.757,-20)
ENG_2=(0,-0.757,-20)
ENG_DIAMETER=1.5
MeshName="VulcanBooster"
ENG_TEX=Exhaust2
ENG_PSTREAM1=AV7contrail2
ENG_PSTREAM2=AV7contrail
PITCHTHRUST=362000
YAWTHRUST=362000
ROLLTHRUST=36200
ROT_SPEED=0

[SEPARATION_12]
MeshName=VulcanInterstage
Diameter=5.400
Height=2.900
EmptyMass=2000.000
off=(0.000,0.000,0.000)
SPEED=(0.000,0.000,-1.000)
ROT_SPEED=(0.000,0.000,0.000)
Separation_delay=36.500
Module=Stage

[STAGE_2]
Height=13.000
Diameter=5.400
EmptyMass=1914.000
FuelMass=20830.000
Thrust=198400.000
BurnTime=400.000
off=(0.000,0.000,0.000)
MeshName=VulcanCentaur
ENG_1=(0.000,0.000,-7.000)
ENG_DIAMETER=1.500
ENG_TEX=Exhaust_atsme
IGNITE_DELAY=10.000
PITCHTHRUST=17291.700
YAWTHRUST=17291.700
ROLLTHRUST=17291.700
Reignitable=1
Eng_pstream1=
Eng_pstream2=
Eng_dir=(0.000,0.000,1.000)
Module=Stage
Speed=(0.000,0.000,0.000)
Rot_speed=(0.000,0.000,0.000)

[FAIRING]
N=2
MeshName="VulcanFairing"
Diameter=5.4
Height=17
off=(0,0,0)
Speed=(15,0,0)
Rot_Speed=(0,-0.5,0)
EMPTYMASS=4085

Renamed three meshes:

• VulcanSRB.msh -> VulcanSRB_1.msh
• VulcanFairing1.msh -> VulcanFairing_1.msh
• VulcanFairing2.msh -> VulcanFairing_2.msh

The specifications are not correct yet, just straight up copied from the Atlas V for the moment...ALPACA also not attached yet

 

[Sbb1413]

Yes really close. I think Artemis 3 will not have a LER so might look to fold up a chariot some where and an equipment box.

...unless NASA select Starship HLS as the ultimate lander for Artemis missions. Starship HLS will have greater volume for the Space Exploration Vehicle (current name of the Lunar Electric Rover).

 

[gattispilot]

new meshes:
On the Fairing I went with longer one so the lander would fit.

 

[gattispilot]

...unless NASA select Starship HLS as the ultimate lander for Artemis missions. Starship HLS will have greater volume for the Space Exploration Vehicle (current name of the Lunar Exploration Rover).

Yes that is a concern of building things not yet built or approved.

 

[Gargantua2024]

Vulcan-Centaur test 2....

The Vulcan towers majestically on Pad 41!

Lift-off...

Just passed through max-Q....

Fairing separation...

ALPACA (without droptanks) fit perfectly inside the fairings
I made 5 duplicates of the original SRB mesh, oriented about 180°, 30°, 150°, 210°, and 330° relative to the original...
However I think somehow I "chopped" a section of each duplicate booster
Here's the .ini and .scn below (requires both Project - CST-100 Starliner and MRO Updated for the Pad 41 complex):

 

[Gargantua2024]

Found this on Wikipedia on what appears to be the surface operation profile of Artemis 3 (assuming it's reliable):

As of February 2020, a lunar stay during a Phase 1 Artemis mission will be about seven days and will have five EVAs. A notional concept of operations (i.e. a hypothetical but possible plan) would include the following:

On Day 1 of the stay, astronauts touchdown on the Moon but do not conduct an EVA. Instead, they prepare for the EVA scheduled for the next day in what is referred to as "The Road to EVA".

On Day 2, the astronauts open the hatch on the Human Landing System and embark on EVA 1 which will be six hours long. It will include collecting a contingency sample, conducting public affairs activities, deploying the experiment package, and acquiring samples. The astronauts will stay close to the landing site on this first EVA.

EVA 2 begins on day 3. The astronauts characterize and collect samples from permanently shadowed regions. Unlike the previous EVA, the astronauts will go further from the landing site (up to 2 km) and up and down slopes of 20°.

Day 4 will not include an EVA but Day 5 will. EVA 3 may include activities such as collecting samples from an ejecta blanket.

Day 6 will have the two astronauts deploy a geotechnical instrument alongside an environmental monitoring station for in-situ resource utilization (ISRU).

Day 7 will have the final and shortest EVA. This EVA will only last one hour rather than the others' six hours in duration from egress to ingress. This EVA mostly comprises preparations for the lunar liftoff, including jettisoning hardware. Once the final EVA is concluded, the astronauts will return into the Human Landing System and the vehicle will launch from the surface and join up with Orion/Gateway.

 

[gattispilot]

Great. In VB can it create vessels based on Keys?

If so. I think if we have mesh and dll we can do eva.

It looks like an eva mesh might have pockets on the legs and a backpack.

Hopefully later today I will have a updated Lander with working HGA and crew.

 

[Gargantua2024]

Yes, definitely VB can create vessels on Keys (triggered on the Events section+Child Spawn)...though I'm not sure how EVAs are implemented there

 

[gattispilot]

ok. I can remake the SRB's. Any other mesh changes?

What we need is a vessel to move along the ground. The simple solution would to make a Ground Vessel vessel with a eva mesh.

Then press a key and a eva vessel is created.

The more complex would be to make a eva vessel.

But how to get back in?

 

[Gargantua2024]

ok. I can remake the SRB's. Any other mesh changes?

Besides the SRBs, all other meshes are good

But how to get back in?

Not sure...maybe simply make a command key that will delete the astronaut to simulate the EVA has ended?

 

[gattispilot]

Besides the SRBs, all other meshes are good

Not sure...maybe simply make a command key that will delete the astronaut to simulate the EVA has ended?

yes. Can VB do it. That is the way to do it. Thats how it is done in the shuttle