Request Artemis landers

[gattispilot]

MFDs are also possible on VB

OK. Not sure how though? So in normal graphics. NO CTD for animations On the mfd I guess a mesh group gets made and the mfd is made on top of it?

Animation: G gear up/down
K HGA rotate
D hatch open/close
1 Crew appears/disappears done by scaling the crew or move back behind the front wall?
2 Solar Arrays. scale down deployed and scale up stowed then scale up deployed and scale down stow
3 scale ladder

So I think the next mesh will need a crew, deployed and stowed arrays, ladder. Anything else?

On the interior place 2 mfds under the windows. Have a fake mfd in the center above the door. Add controls. It may be a couple of days as I am going to out and about

 

[4throck]

@gattispilot VB is the same as in SC4, you just need to indicate the mesh groups.
Don't forget to check the mesh visibility parameters (interior, exterior, vc only) if you are loading a separate mesh.
I agree that doing everything using animations is the simplest way.

I'd only add beckons (red/green) and spotlights (docking port, hatch) to make it really complete.
But no rush take your time!

 

[gattispilot]

Lights can be added in VB. On the MFD. I will make a mfd mesh group. Where the buttons are part of a texture and the actual MFD is a screen mesh group.

 

[gattispilot]

Maybe like this: On the mfd. I am not sure if the buttons need to be separate mesh groups. Or just a part of the texture?

On the left the buttons are a mesh group on the right it is just a texture. Both will have a mesh group for the mfd screen?

 

[Gargantua2024]

Maybe like this: On the mfd. I am not sure if the buttons need to be separate mesh groups. Or just a part of the texture?

I don't think VC buttons work on VB, just like 4th Rock said, it is the same as SC4, but on VB you can make more than 2 true MFDs, so no worries on having extra cockpit screens there

 

[gattispilot]

Ok. I guess I am need an example of the mesh group for mfd

 

[4throck]

Something like this ?



It's possible to have working buttons, but here I've setup a simple "just for show" MFD.
All that's required is the mesh group (on this case 13, on a separate VC mesh).
The mesh group is a simple square, textured with a unique texture/material.

 

[Gargantua2024]

Based on the current model, I think the landing legs are stowed below the main cabin (white lines)...The drawings are totally inaccurate, but you'd get the idea

 

[Gargantua2024]

Moonship-Gateway test....

If NASA decided to pursue SpaceX's Moonship HLS, I think the Gateway would become totally unnecessary for the Artemis program....
But if they select either Dynetics's ALPACA or Blue Origin's Integrated Lander Vehicle, the Gateway could be useful for them

 

[gattispilot]

Based on the current model, I think the landing legs are stowed below the main cabin (white lines)...The drawings are totally inaccurate, but you'd get the idea
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Yes. I don't think animation should be none til a final mesh is built. Because mesh group numbers will change

 

[gattispilot]

Something like this ?

View attachment 22996

It's possible to have working buttons, but here I've setup a simple "just for show" MFD.
All that's required is the mesh group (on this case 13, on a separate VC mesh).
The mesh group is a simple square, textured with a unique texture/material.

Thanks. Can you send me or tell me which vessel the mfd mesh is from.

 

[4throck]

@gattispilot It from a VB version of my Apollo Hab and cargo support modules for Skylab B.

Here's old sc4 version, but the meshes are the same:

Skylab B pack - Orbit Hangar Mods

Just look for this VC mesh: ApolloCargo\ApolloCargo_vc.msh

 

[francisdrake]

Some more speculations on size and mass:

Came across a "human-lander.pdf" from Dynetics giving a few dimensions.
The truss is there 9.4 m wide. In the current model this is 9.7 m across the struts. I think this close enough.
With Dynetics the same Italian company is involved who builds the Cygnus spacecraft. Speculation goes they will use the same pressure vessel for the hab as for the Cygnus. This would be 3.07 m diameter. (Currently 3.17 m in the model, again very close.)

On the previous fuel mass calculations I used the old (smaller) tank and hab sizes, sorry for that.
Attached are corrected values. The dry mass is a little higher now, but the fuel mass is much higher, giving a far better performance! Also I upped the density of the fuel. At-180°C and 6 bar, both Methane and Oxygen are liquids. This would allow for an even temperature inside the tanks, and a higher overall density.

With these figures I was able to descend from high orbit into a 100 km circular orbit, land on Brighton Beach, take off again and capture up with the Orion in high orbit. The screenshot shows both vessels 24.000 km above the Lunar surface, just before docking.

 

[gattispilot]

There seems to be differences. I have seem a wider upper rail around the body. But the one with gold tanks doesn't have it.

 

[gattispilot]

On the VC. I have 3 groups background and 2 mfd screens. I think I should have background and screen for each side? The mfd screen is black. What should the background be?

On the landing gear I think we can get this. The gear is angled on the frame about 25 degrees. HAven't been successful in getting the angles and point though

 

[francisdrake]

Added an attachment point to the left side of the truss and put it on a FalconHeavy. The lander fits into the payload fairing (ok, the landings legs were poking out ). Onboard fuel only, no drop tanks. Had to complete the TLI burn with the landers engines. Could reach an elliptical Moon orbit.

Thanks guys for making such a fun addon!

 

[Gargantua2024]

I thought the lander is too wide for Falcon Heavy so that it was decided to launch on a Vulcan instead....Amazing!

 

[Gargantua2024]

ALPACA mass/fuel specifications updated with francisdrake's launch attachment included....Press J to drop tanks as fuel becomes less than 10,500 kg left....need to figure out how to jettison droptanks automatically next

View attachment 23013
Added an attachment point to the left side of the truss and put it on a FalconHeavy. The lander fits into the payload fairing (ok, the landings legs were poking out ). Onboard fuel only, no drop tanks. Had to complete the TLI burn with the landers engines. Could reach an elliptical Moon orbit.

Thanks guys for making such a fun addon!

I wonder: Is the Falcon Heavy set to "expendable all"? Given that it would be 16.3 tons at lift-off full main tank, it would be too heavy for the rocket to launch it on "recoverable-all" or "boosters-only" mode IMHO all the way to the Moon

EDIT: I managed to send ALPACA all the way to the Moon on "expendable-all" mode with barely enough fuel left on the second stage after the TLI burn

 

[gattispilot]

Looking at redoing the mesh. combining things,....

But looking at images I think the side areas where the tanks is too thick. I might add the wider top also.

Still have not figured out the VC mfd stuff

 

[francisdrake]

< But looking at images I think the side areas where the tanks is too thick >

I think the struts are so thick, as the Dynetics model was made for 3D printing. This needs a minimum thickness of all parts for strength. As you say, modelling the original design will give a more tenuous appearance. Might also reduce many thousand polygons.