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So, is this a newly developed locomotive, or are they just re-introducing some old models because they don't have enough trains?

If the first, how is the steam generated?
 

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So, is this a newly developed locomotive, or are they just re-introducing some old models because they don't have enough trains?

If the first, how is the steam generated?

The Tornado is a fairly new locomotive completed in 2008, its boiler was made in Germany just a few years ago. It is based on classic Peppercorn Class A1 engine plans, but had been modernized to new standards.

It is powered by coal, and that without a mechanic stoker it seems.

---------- Post added at 11:07 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:44 AM ----------

BTW... the A1 Tornado won't be alone soon.

They are really building a P2 1'D'1 Mikado, the "2007 Prince Of Wales":

https://www.railengineer.uk/2016/05/20/building-the-p2/

Again with a boiler from RAW Meiningen it seems, despite the initial trouble of the Tornado with it and the need for a complete overhaul in 2011.
 

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It is powered by coal, and that without a mechanic stoker it seems.

I really would have expected them to go with something more efficient like gas, but I guess the fact that coal is dirt-cheap is the major incentive to build a steam engine in the first place.
 

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I really would have expected them to go with something more efficient like gas, but I guess the fact that coal is dirt-cheap is the major incentive to build a steam engine in the first place.

Well, I think it is a bit more complex:

Historic trains used coal
There is experience with coal
There is no existing gas boiler for trains
Fitting maritime boilers for trains failed epically
Mechanic stokers had been unpopular in Europe
There is still some infrastructure for coal fired trains

And coal fired trains are cooler.
 

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And coal fired trains are cooler.

Waaaaay cooler!


On a sort-of related note, TVRR's engine 4501 will be hitting the rails again. If you've seen the movie "October Sky" you've seen 4501 (with a different paint job).
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Waaaaay cooler!


On a sort-of related note, TVRR's engine 4501 will be hitting the rails again. If you've seen the movie "October Sky" you've seen 4501 (with a different paint job).

We still have a narrow-gauge line here doing regular service with steam trains. One of those is even over 100 years old (Build in 1897):

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(The mountain on the top right of the photograph is the Brocken, this is also the highest train station of this railway)
 
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I can see keeping historical locomotives running for purposes of tourism or education and so on, but what's the driver in deciding to build a bran new locomotive, along with infrastructure (watering, coaling, etc.), training personnel, and increased maintenance compared with diesels? Diesels made steam obsolete by the 1930s; only the war kept steam going for another 2 decades or so.

Also, I thought there was already a steam locomotive in regular service in the UK, they raced it to Scotland in an episode of Top Gear IIRC?

In any case I'm not complaining, I love steam engines.
 

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Im not complaining either, Steam trains are cool but there are problems. One is that they require high maintenance and two, they are not powerful enough to carry alot of train cars and also cannot operate at high speeds. I feel like IMHO that this is a regression tactic.
 

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I'll agree that they can be maintenance intensive, and that they are not as fast as modern diesels. But I'll dispute the numbers of cars they can haul. Speed depends on the design, those that typically haul coal (ore, or whatever) were geared for torque more than speed. My grandfather worked for Southern, then Norfolk Southern (prior to that a railroad battalion in the Army during WW2).

One of his maxims... Uphill slow, downhill fast - tonnage first and safety last (or something like that).
 

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How to tell the difference between a locomotive built for speed vs. one built for torque: just look at the driver wheel sizes. Large diameter for speed, small for torque.

Which makes sense, since there is no transmission or gearbox between the engine itself and the driver wheels; the wheel axle is also the crank shaft.

(Except for geared steam engines like the Shay, mostly used for timber operations on narrow gauge mountain railroads.)
 

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One big advantage of a steam engine is its robustness - there had been a few occasions where steam trains had been put back into service, because it was too cold for Diesels.

Steam engines are generally weaker than Diesels and far less effective - a 600 hp diesel shunter can pull what a 2000 hp steam engine would not get moving. But the differences start when the train is running.

Also, contrary to what you might expect, a steam engine has fewer moving parts than a Diesel engine. Their tear and wear characteristics are very different.

But the limitations of the technology are pretty much explored. Even condenser engines did not improve the efficiency a lot.

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only the war kept steam going for another 2 decades or so.

In eastern Germany, the last steam engine was retired from regular service in 1988. This had purely economic reasons. The oil crisis of the late 1970s hit eastern Germany especially hard and made it retire oil-fired steam engines in favor of coal-fired steam engines.

In 1974, one third of all trains in eastern Germany had still been propelled by steam (In 1965 it was 88%)

You have to include there: Because freight trains had a higher priority over passengers trains in eastern Germany, it was nearly impossible to operate with time tables over longer distances. A steam engine pulling a long-distance high-speed (120 km/h in Eastern Germany) train was not uncommon. Even updating the tracks to 160 km/h proved impossible in the Eastern German socialist economy.

Much worse: Because they used the wrong sand for making concrete cross ties in the seventies, the average speed was much lower because a large number of tracks was damaged and had to be repaired...

In western Germany, the last steam engine retired in 1977, the famous Class 103 electrical trains had already been doing the long-distance passenger transports then.
 
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To Andy44 in #9 above.

You may be thinking of the Flying Scotsman, recorder holder and still going.

Does specials and others, but that's about it as far as I know.

 
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