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It should be the first since the mesh is pretty much finished and some areas like the vertical stabilizer is pretty hard to map to an existing texture, especially if the general shape of the mesh itself has changed. The current texture as you can imagine was made to fit a differently shaped vertical stabilizer so the it won't the new one.
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The problem is that both are wrong. Both were made to fit to the old incorrectly shaped vertical stabilizer so they're no invalid and have no references anymore. So a new texture is required.
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Not at all. It just matters what is the standard. If we decide to fix the coordinates for the default, the highres has to be fixed. or the other way around.
Or we wait for a THIRD set of textures to be invalid the next time...
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If I remember well, the default textures will be a scalled down version of the hi-res, right? So, IMO those are history.
Do the hi-res have the "correct" shape of things? If so, then the tail should be remapped and the problem solved for good. Same goes for other groups or meshes.
Do the hi-res have the "correct" shape of things? If so, then the tail should be remapped and the problem solved for good. Same goes for other groups or meshes.
The problem is that neither fits anymore. The shape and size is wrong. If I change the coordinates, all we'll end up even with the default textures is a mangled mess that just looks wrong. The new vertical stabilizer mesh(es) shares no history with the old one(s) at all. It(they) was(were) made from scratch using a completely different technique, reusing nothing from the old mesh(es).
Our current vertical stabilizer texture dates all the way back to 2006 when preacher_mg released this add-on: [ame="https://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=2462"]STS Visual Upgrade 2.0 Beta[/ame]
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Right now Wolf's hi-resolution photo-real needs to be updated yes to account for the changed vertical stabilizer. The current plan is to include scaled down versions as the default in the base package but offer the full resolutions as an official add-on, similar to how Orbiter itself used to do things with the planetary textures. So there would be one source for the textures, just two resolutions, one low/med and one high (AKA full). So changing things would mean just editing one source.
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No, that's the problem being discussed. You can't expect a texture made for one mesh to fit a different one. We've been very lucky so far that our textures have held out for as long as they've done. But this was a problem coming for us the more data we got on the shuttle. And the name of the the project is "Space Shuttle Ultra", so why should the visuals be excepted from the name? The predecessor, Space Shuttle Deluxe gave us the IK for the RMS as well as usable cameras, so this is just the next step.
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So I stayed up late last night (way too late) to start the keyboard mesh, and even though I only settled the dimensions* and made the first row and 1 key, all still in 2D, it already looked good to make me grin from ear to ear. :blush:
Tonight I hope to advance enough to have something to show.
*) can't find real size data, but it should be within 10% or the real one
Tonight I hope to advance enough to have something to show.
*) can't find real size data, but it should be within 10% or the real one
The two Display Keyboards (DKs) on C2.
I refer you this post by GLS:
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GLS: Since you're doing some minor work on the VC, would this be the time to get rid of the VC lighting "cheat" (using emissive material settings) and begin using actual light sources? Or would be this considered a major rework?
GLS
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I did that awhile back, and posted an image... but if I remember well, when looking into the PLB from the aft windows, we would hit the light limit and the lights in the PLB would go off.
That was only the "big" lights. For the panel backlights I think we'll need to play with materials and textures. So, yes that is major rework.
But that will totally be worth the effort someday as, like I said at the time, being in the shadow of the Earth with the lights off in the vc... somehow really scary. :shifty:
BTW: the new keyboard mesh is done! (somewhat expensive at 1K triangles :uhh
Now reworking the texture as some things need change and also the font isn't correct (found a very good match).
GLS
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So, here are the initial results:
So, it's obvious that the new keyboard is smaller than what we currently have, but comparing with the real panel C2, ours is streched vertically* (the buttons on the right keyboard aren't even square, same for the bases of the switch guards), so that explains at least part of it. :shrug:
Probably will replace the back texture with gray to "hide" the empty spaces above and below the keyboard, as fixing the panel now probably would take time.
Still animations to do and also install the other 2 keyboards.
*) or the MDUs have the wrong size
So, it's obvious that the new keyboard is smaller than what we currently have, but comparing with the real panel C2, ours is streched vertically* (the buttons on the right keyboard aren't even square, same for the bases of the switch guards), so that explains at least part of it. :shrug:
Probably will replace the back texture with gray to "hide" the empty spaces above and below the keyboard, as fixing the panel now probably would take time.
Still animations to do and also install the other 2 keyboards.
*) or the MDUs have the wrong size
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They do... they're about 1.5cms larger than they should, so (assuming the margins are proportional) that would make C2 even less wide, thus making the wrong aspect ratio even worst. :facepalm:
The "quick-fix", would be moving C3 up, so C2 isn't as tall as it is. This would have to be done anyway, but I'm not sure it is worth the effort to do it now.
GLS
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Yeah, that will probably be done as part of the ascent changes for SSU 6.0 (GRTLS is maybe half done as part of the entry stuff).
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The new keyboard is up! Keys are now animated, and the keyboard looks much more like the real one.
Unfortunatly that exposed how badly sized (and placed) panel C2 is. For now I'll leave it as is, but I hope to pull panel C3 up, thus making C2 "less bad". There are also some small defects on some normals of the keyboard that I'll fix then.
Meanwhile, enjoy the keys moving.
I'll work the slidewire animation tomorrow.
Thanks for the nice keypad update :thumbup:
I just updated to the new revision and noticed 2 things: I now have a "super glossy" orbiter and the C3 panel shows random shadows on its surface :shrug:
Could this come from Rev 3013 (light emitter visibility)?...
I just updated to the new revision and noticed 2 things: I now have a "super glossy" orbiter and the C3 panel shows random shadows on its surface :shrug:
Could this come from Rev 3013 (light emitter visibility)?...
GLS
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The glass OV I've seen before, and if I remember it had to do with the GC file settings... DaveS handles that so he should know.
The shadows on panel C3, that's news to me... can you check the other panels for that? If it's only C3, can you go back to r3018 and see if it still happens?
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