News Prices for XP downgrades going up.

[Linguofreak]

http://www.pcworld.com/printable/article/id,155473/printable.html

People are griping about the cost of downgrading to XP, but I think the fact that XP costs $150 more than Vista is a good thing.

It means that Microsoft is admitting that XP is much more valuable than Vista.

 

[Hielor]

Did you actually read the article? Dell is charging $150 more for XP than Vista. Microsoft is not. Microsoft has nothing to do with this offer.

 

[Linguofreak]

Did you actually read the article? Dell is charging $150 more for XP than Vista. Microsoft is not. Microsoft has nothing to do with this offer.

Yes, I did, and I was a bit confused by that, but some things they say in the article seem to indicate that Microsoft is behind Dell's price increase, or something like that.

EDIT:
This line, for example

"The fix for this should be to focus like lasers on demand generation for Vista but instead Microsoft is focusing aggressively on financial penalties,"

 

[SlyCoopersButt]

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[Woo482]

have any of you tried vista on a good computer with Sp1 and all the updates installed ? I have never had any problems with vista and I have all the updates and all so do you know that Windows XP does not have DX10 that means you cant play some of the really high quality games properly ?

 

[Hielor]

A quick glance around the internets shows that you can still buy XP if you really want it. Most computer manufacturers these days offer a Linux installation for free.

If someone cares enough to want XP instead of Vista, then they can do that, wipe the drive, and install XP themself (although that will probably void the warranty).

If they don't know how to install an operating system or aren't willing to do it, then frankly, it doesn't matter for them whether they have Vista or XP, assuming that the computer in question is able to run Vista satisfactorily.

 

[tl8]

I just hope my computer can last until Windows 7. I refuse the idea of paying that sort of money just to keep using what works. If 7 fails to fix Vista's problems, I might be quite done with MS.

If they were smart they would just keep selling XP without any catch, Push Windows 7 back to 2010 and make sure it gets done properly. They shouldn't do a premature release with Windows 7 like they did with Vista.

You are going to be disappointed.

There is nothing fundamentally wrong with Vista.
Performance wise; When XP came out, it was expensive to upgrade your PC to 'Max out' the OS (That is meet 1Gb ram, P4 CPU, 200GB Hard Drive). When Vista arrived, the ability to Max out the OS was the cost of a new PC.

The main failure of Vista was the PC manufactures, they were using sub standard hardware specs for Vista.

Windows 7 is improvements on Vista, it still looks the same. The biggest thing with 7 is that they have rewritten the code. It will still demand high PC specs.

As such a 2009 release is quite valid.

 

[Woo482]

that's why I build my own pc I am a lot higher than the recommended system requirements so I have no problems with that

 

[SlyCoopersButt]

Ok, I probably shouldn't say I would be done with them, It's just due to the nature of my computer use it would be much more complicated. What is THE best reading for a true comparision between Vista and XP? I want to know all there is to know if I'm going to consider it.

 

[tl8]

Ok, I probably shouldn't say I would be done with them, It's just due to the nature of my computer use it would be much more complicated. What is THE best reading for a true comparision between Vista and XP? I want to know all there is to know if I'm going to consider it.

The best reading for Vista vs XP is about a month of each. Really

That said, anything that is recent would be good enough, anything to close to the release of Vista will be biased. If you read a dozen plus article/blog etc, you should have enough information to form your own opinion. There is no 'correct' answer here but google is your friend.

 

[Woo482]

well there is a feature list for windows Vista here http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/newsroom/winxp/VistaBeta1FS.mspx

EDIT1: dont use that link its for the Beta

 

[SlyCoopersButt]

Funny thing if I remember correctly, Was it more expensive to buy a computer with Vista rather than XP when it first became available? I think I remember seeing that when I got my second computer built on dell.com. Must admit there are some facts about it that do interest me. Will be getting more power for sure next time anyway. I don't use too many programs that are resource hogs so there should be plenty leftover for the system. About the worst I use is BFII for example.

 

[willy88]

How much more would it cost to downgrade to Windows 2000?

 

[SlyCoopersButt]

Never even seen windows 2000. Of course everthing has it's expire date. Even XP. Before you know it you'll be seeing windows 8. Time flies pretty fast these days. At least for me.

 

[Bj]

Never even seen windows 2000.

win 2000;

...and the only thing I have against Vista is that it has some sort of failure all the time.
Now if that's just me, my luck or the few computers, that's something else entirely. Where I get my anti-Vista is because we own one and have problems with it all the time and the few people that I know that have Vista have problems all the time...

 

[RAF92_Moser]

Prices for XP downgrades going up.

Why do they call XP a downgrade? Trading in a buggy, resource hogging OS for a reliable, tested OS is certainly an upgrade for me.

Oh...the fuzzy special effects....well then, that's a matter of taste I guess.

 

[Hielor]

Why do they call XP a downgrade? Trading in a buggy, resource hogging OS for a reliable, tested OS is certainly an upgrade for me.

Oh...the fuzzy special effects....well then, that's a matter of taste I guess.

Have you actually used Vista on a machine that was good enough to run it? Or are you just blindly repeating what everyone else has said?

90% of problems I've had with Vista could have been solved if I'd had the foresight to make a C:\Games directory and put everything there instead of C:\Program Files, which was made useless in Vista.

100% of problems I've had with Vista have been solved by a quick Google search which allowed me to figure out what to do to fix it.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

[...] There is nothing fundamentally wrong with Vista.[...]

That is your opinion .
In my opinion, there's quite a list of things fundamentally wrong with Vista. And yes, I have experience in using that OS, from a user point of view, but also from a developers point of view.

 

[Urwumpe]

Windows 2000 was a pretty cool operating system.

But I don't mind using XP currently, it is annoying sometimes, but now works pretty well.

But it and it's successor also counters my understanding of a useful operating system. I like some Linux installations (Though Linux in general can become as bad as Windows), but as I currently only use Linux in university, I don't attempt learning the latest developments (since 2004) about it for having my own... the Knoppix DVD is enough Linux if I want to test something.

There are many things which Windows could do better. And which even the Linux crowd often fails to see in their attempts to beat Windows even in committing windows errors.

Just one example: Linux is the only consumer operating system around, which comes with a C++ compiler with full OpenMP support. It is easy to make all recently developed Linux applications capable of using multiple CPU cores or even work in clusters. Attempting the same with Microsoft is a war of the APIs.

As Multicores become more and more standard, this becomes a real disadvantage.

 

[RisingFury]

When XP came out, it was expensive to upgrade your PC to 'Max out' the OS (That is meet 1Gb ram, P4 CPU, 200GB Hard Drive).

Pfft!!!

I'm running XP on 192 MB RAM, P3, 633 MHz, 20 GB hard drive and it can hold up for day to day operations.

On the other hand, I can't run Vista on AMD Athlon 3000+, 1 GB RAM, 200 GB hard drive, GeForce 6600GT and hold up day to day operations, because Vista itself fills up the entire RAM.

Making a massive GUI as MS did is the biggest mistake they've ever made... and for what? They're slowly pushing out scripts for people that can't stand GUI.