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[RisingFury]

Indonesian cleaning agents in a Malaysian plane?

So all German flights have German Cola on it instead of Coca Cola?


The bottled water and cleaning agent doesn't prove or disprove anything at this point. It's not evidence at all.

 

[Urwumpe]

So all German flights have German Cola on it instead of Coca Cola?

Actually yes. But thats mostly because the catering is done by German companies in German hubs and the Coca Cola produced in some many local factories in Germany. If you find a small bottle of Cola, you can tell that it is from Germany easily. :lol:

Same with cleaning agents. While the usual consumer cleaning agents are only in details different between the various countries of Europe or the USA, the professional stuff used by cleaning companies is often produced locally. For example: My toilet cleaning agent was possibly produced in the UK, as I can tell by the GS1-prefix (or the company registered the product in the UK)

 

[garyw]

More suspected Debris washed up at Reunion Island

A second piece of suspected plane debris has washed ashore on the Indian Ocean island of Reunion, after a wing part suspected to come from the missing flight MH370 was found on Wednesday.
The object, believed to be the door of an aircraft, was discovered just south of the city of St Denis.
It is said to have writing on it and possibly some illustration.
The Malaysia Airlines flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing disappeared last March with 239 people on board.
Malaysia's transport ministry says it now wants to expand the search for more debris around Reunion

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-33750811

Malaysia's Transport Minister has said flaperon debris found on Reunion Island has been identified as part of a Boeing 777, which is the same type of aircraft, as missing flight MH370.

Not much more than that in the article -> http://www.itv.com/news/story/2015-...nd-on-reunion-island-is-part-of-a-boeing-777/

It's expected that on Wednesday, 5th August, the French will release a press statement stating that the flaperon is from MH370.

 

[Thunder Chicken]

The "door" appears to just be an aluminum ladder.

People are starting to realize that the search for MH370 is not the search for the wreckage of an airliner in a pristine ocean; it's the search for the wreckage of an airliner in the swirling trash bin of the ocean.

 

[garyw]

And there we have it, official news from Malaysia:

"Part of aircraft wing found on Reunion island is from missing MH370 plane, Malaysian prime minister says"

more to come, link is here -> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-33794012

From what I understand, the flaperon had paint flecks tested to find out if they are Malaysian airline colours. There may have been additional tests as well.

 

[n122vu]

There may have been additional tests as well.

Sorry for being too analytical, but I'd like to hear from the French exactly how the match was confirmed. Don't get me wrong, there's no doubt in my mind this is from MH370. However, given Malaysia's handling of this from the beginning, and apparently still now, their credibility with me is minimal. To just come out and say (paraphrasing), "We have conclusively confirmed it is from MH370" and stop there is another reckless slap in the face to the families. How did you conclude it? What is the concrete evidence that leaves no question as to its origin?

 

[Andy44]

I would think the best way to confirm it is to track the part serial numbers with the Boeing factory...

 

[Thunder Chicken]

Some mumbles from CNN about new wreckage, seat cushions, etc.., but sounds like CNN making news:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/06/world/mh370-investigation/

 

[Linguofreak]

What is the concrete evidence that leaves no question as to its origin?

My question is more along the lines of "only one 777 has been lost at sea, and this bit of debris carries a part number associated with the 777, therefore, why is it necessary to ship it to Toulouse? Isn't it already proven?"

Or are there other aircraft that use the same flaperon?

 

[n122vu]

Some mumbles from CNN about new wreckage, seat cushions, etc.., but sounds like CNN making news:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/06/world/mh370-investigation/

Even so, from that article sounds like the French, but especially the families, are echoing my frustration at the announcement by the Malaysian Prime Minister.

Less than an hour after the Prime Minister's statement Wednesday, Paris Deputy Prosecutor Serge Mackowiak used slightly less definitive language. He said that there were "very strong presumptions" that the debris from the French island in the western Indian Ocean is from MH370, but that certainty was not yet possible.

"We do not want to hear guarantees of 99% likelihood from certain authorities," relatives of Chinese passengers said in a statement. "We need confirmation of 100% certainty."

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Well, I'm glad I wasn't the only one that felt Wednesday's announcement was vague, reckless, and from a less-than-credible source. Also, it seems CNN is aware this latest news should be taken with a grain of salt..
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/06/asia/mh370-malaysia-investigation-missteps/index.html

...Soucie said he found the news "suspect," in part, because none of the hundreds of people involved in the search found anything until the Malaysians arrived.

He further offered advice on how the governments involved in the search could get their acts together: "Communicate the facts only. And if this means withholding information from the media for a period of time, so be it."

Exactly.

 

[Urwumpe]

It is confirmed by serial numbers, that the part was lost from MH370.

 

[mojoey]

Well, since it's the only hull loss of a 772 in that part of the world unaccounted for (and the only one, IIRC), that was kind of a given from the start. Now to find the rest of the damn plane.

 

[MaverickSawyer]

Even so, from that article sounds like the French, but especially the families, are echoing my frustration at the announcement by the Malaysian Prime Minister.





---------- Post added at 03:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:16 PM ----------

Well, I'm glad I wasn't the only one that felt Wednesday's announcement was vague, reckless, and from a less-than-credible source. Also, it seems CNN is aware this latest news should be taken with a grain of salt..
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/06/asia/mh370-malaysia-investigation-missteps/index.html





Exactly.

Wait... CNN is actually waiting for more facts?

*looks outside for flying pigs*

 

[Urwumpe]

Well, since it's the only hull loss of a 772 in that part of the world unaccounted for (and the only one, IIRC), that was kind of a given from the start. Now to find the rest of the damn plane.

Yes - but what would have been, if the serial number did not match? That might have been pretty surprising.

Also, German researchers have published some early results of simulating a particle backtrace of the ocean currents from Reunion, which suggest that the current search area is too far south.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...370-investigators-looking-in-wrong-place.html

 

[Soheil_Esy]

Three days ago it was MH-17 (Amateur satellite tracker Marco Langbroek as Dutch Parliament expert on military satellite systems), and today it is MH-370. Coincidence? I think not!:rofl:

‘Plane wreckage’ found off Thailand fuels talk of missing MH370 jet (VIDEO)

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A piece of metal found off the coast of southern Thailand fuelled speculation that it could be from Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370. — Reuters videograb

Video
http://jwpsrv.a.ssl.fastly.net/cont...84_0x3aaf290e21b27819d4198c7afd471c4404238d52

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...-off-thailand-fuels-talk-of-missing-mh370-jet

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Wreckage found in Thailand unlikely to come from missing Malaysian jet

Sun Jan 24, 2016

A piece of suspected plane wreckage found off the east coast of southern Thailand on Saturday was unlikely to belong to Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 which vanished nearly two years ago, said aviation experts and Thai officials.

A large piece of curved metal washed ashore in Nakhon Si Thammarat province, Tanyapat Patthikongpan, head of Pak Phanang district, told Reuters. Villagers reported it to authorities for identification, he said.

"Villagers found the wreckage, measuring about 2 meters wide and 3 meters long (6.6 by 9.8 feet)," he said.

The find fueled speculation in the Thai media that the debris could belong to MH370, which disappeared with 239 people on board during a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing in March 2014. A piece of the plane washed up on the French island of Reunion in July 2015 but no further trace has been found.

Experts said that while powerful currents sweeping the Indian Ocean could deposit debris thousands of kilometers away, wreckage was extremely unlikely to have drifted across the equator into the northern hemisphere.

The location of the debris in Thailand "would appear to be inconsistent with the drift models that appeared when MH370's flaperon was discovered in Reunion last July," said Greg Waldron, Asia Managing Editor at Flightglobal, an industry publication.

"The markings, engineering, and tooling apparent in this debris strongly suggest that it is aerospace related," said Waldron. "It will need to be carefully examined, however, to determine it's exact origin."

Other possible sources of aerospace debris included the launching of space rockets by India eastwards over the Bay of Bengal, he said.

There has been no official confirmation from Thailand that the wreckage belongs even to a plane, never mind the missing Malayasia jet.

"Personally, I don't think it's MH370," Thai government spokesman Sansern Kaewkamnerd told Reuters.

District head Patthikongpan said the debris "could have been under the sea for no more than a year, judging from barnacles on it."

A spokesman for the Joint Agency Coordination Centre, the Canberra-based authority which is overseeing the international search for MH370, told Reuters it was "awaiting results of the official examination of the material."

The Malaysian transport ministry is in contact with Thai authorities to verify the debris, a ministry spokesman said.

Investigators believe someone may have deliberately switched off MH370's transponder before diverting it thousands of miles off course. Most of the passengers were Chinese.

Lingering uncertainty surrounding its fate has tormented the families of those on board. Some have said even the discovery of debris would still not solve the mystery.

The fragment found in Thailand "just doesn't look like aircraft fuselage," aviation expert Geoffrey Thomas told Reuters from near Perth.

"It just doesn't make any sense," he said. "I don't think there's any connection with MH370 whatsoever."

http://s3.reutersmedia.net/resource...&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=644&pl=429&sq=&r=LYNXNPEC0N0DJ

http://s3.reutersmedia.net/resource...&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=644&pl=429&sq=&r=LYNXNPEC0N0DK

http://s3.reutersmedia.net/resource...&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=644&pl=429&sq=&r=LYNXNPEC0N0DO

http://ipic.su/img/img7/fs/MH-370video.1453665909.jpg

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-thailand-wreckage-idUSKCN0V10SG

http://maps.maphill.com/atlas/8n30-...-map/physical-location-map-of-8n30-100e20.jpg
‘Plane wreckage’ found and Physical Location Map of Pak Phanang

July 31, 2015

http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/MH370Debris.png

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...-of-madagascar-sparks-immediate-investigation

 

[Urwumpe]

Looks really more like a part of a launch vehicle, like an all-metal interstage.

 

[Soheil_Esy]

Looks really more like a part of a launch vehicle, like an all-metal interstage.

And from which space agency?

 

[Urwumpe]

And from which space agency?

Hard to tell, since nearly all use Arabian digits, but this one also has a symbol that looks like Roman numerals II.

It is sure no tank dome, the structure is not like that and it was a passive structural part. On the right the "horn" looks like a part of the structure it was attached to, and it seems like it once was cylindrical. Near the II in the detail picture is something, that looks like a vent valve.

Should I say a first guess (please don't take me serious on that, I have no evidence yet), it could be a part of the aft skirt of core stage of the Indian GSLV Mk III launch vehicle. But I need to look for better pictures of the stage for that. The Launch azimuth of 120° of the first test flight and the impact zone of the L110 stage fits as well there.

 

[Soheil_Esy]

Hard to tell, since nearly all use Arabian digits, but this one also has a symbol that looks like Roman numerals II.

It is sure no tank dome, the structure is not like that and it was a passive structural part. On the right the "horn" looks like a part of the structure it was attached to, and it seems like it once was cylindrical. Near the II in the detail picture is something, that looks like a vent valve.

So, maybe from ISRO?

 

[garyw]

Looks really more like a part of a launch vehicle, like an all-metal interstage.

I thought it had already been positively identified as the fairing from a H-IIA?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...link-after-metal-wreckage-found-on-thai-coast