Colin Powell endorses Obama
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So?
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He was the first African-American Secretary of State, appointed by the hick, redneck, racist Republicans. Who then turned around and appointed his successor, the second African-American Secretary of State.
... that tricky Karl Rove ...
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He was an african-American?
Doesn't look that african to me...I mean, Obama is half-white, but his skin complexion is a lot more noticeable.
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Is that a serious question?
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Yes, he was. From Harlem. During his military career, it was more obvious, as these damn suits and ties make you look pale and white regardless how black you are.
Now he is a liberal republican... which is some sort of extreme sport, which involves Austrian bodybuilders.
That why racism is a pretty stupid and unscientific concept.
I'd say it is. I thought Powell was Jamaican, not African. Either that or we go back multiple generations, in which case everyone is probably the first at something.
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I agree that the whole notion of race in politics and culture is absurd. Powell's ancestors came from Jamaica, and some of them, before that, from Africa. In the contemporary U.S. political and cultural lexicon, that makes him "African-American."
Of course, everyone who lives in the U.S. is "African-American" by that standard. What I find ironic in the whole contemporary political and cultural vocabulary of race in America is the way "a single drop of black blood" entitles you to claim the title of "African-American" -- a notion as silly as the extraordinary vocabulary of race that people used to use, e.g. "mulatto," "octaroon," etc. Yet, those who have promoted the modern left-wing brand of racialism find those old race-obsessed terms offensive. They do this without the slightest awareness of the irony involved.
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As far as I know as long as you have some ancestry in x race you can claim it, at least in US culture (can be supposed ancestry). I know a family that had like 1/64 Cherokee, decided to embrace that and started going to tribal functions.
Race is getting pretty outdated. We might eventually end up the same color tan, or keep some variety. Doesn't matter to me.
As for Colin's Powell's decision to endorse Obama, that's his right.
Race is getting pretty outdated. We might eventually end up the same color tan, or keep some variety. Doesn't matter to me.
As for Colin's Powell's decision to endorse Obama, that's his right.
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Well, what I find quite amazing is that this was the same man who was Secretary of State when it was alleged that Irak had Weapons of Mass Destruction, and thus, must be occupied, before they used them. Though it did not follow that Irak would find it profitable to threaten use or use the hypothetical WMD's. And the WMD's were nowhere to be found.
Given Powell's involvement with the Irak war and given Obama's opinions and plans about Irak; I would dare to say that this endorsement (if it's even remotely connected with Irak) speaks volumes.
But you have to decipher WHAT exactly this means, since politics should always be approached with the same caution used to approach the used-car trade, knowing that there are things they are not telling you, and things they are misleading you about and that every player plays for profit.
Given Powell's involvement with the Irak war and given Obama's opinions and plans about Irak; I would dare to say that this endorsement (if it's even remotely connected with Irak) speaks volumes.
But you have to decipher WHAT exactly this means, since politics should always be approached with the same caution used to approach the used-car trade, knowing that there are things they are not telling you, and things they are misleading you about and that every player plays for profit.
Jarvitä
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Yes, I've seen him on TV a few times, and I always thought he was white. I've even googled his images after reading this article, and he didn't appear african at all. As Urwumpe said, just goes to show how moronic the pseudoscience behind the racial theory is.
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Didn't Powell disagree with Bush about the invasion of Iraq? Is that why he stepped down?
Secondly, I fear that his endorsement means nothing. It would be like Hillary Clinton endorsing Obama. I don't see the connection other than he was a liberal republican and should have ran for president himself, he would win in a landslide.
A very interesting article about the Rules of engagement in Somalia, he noted that it would take brut force to win over the nation of a very proud people, as his rules were in place in Somalia, news spread fast that whomever brandished a weapon would be shot, and considered a hostile target, and most importantly all 'technicals' were considered hostile.
Things changed when a sniper engaged a 'technical' and told the AP that a pregnant woman got shot. Effers at the media portrayed US as a bunch of warmongers who would engage any man woman and child to defend themselves.
Things changed after that, Powell stepped down, I do believe (please check spelling I already know i'm going to hack this) Schwarzkopf stepped down.
( I think i'm going to check reference on this and report next)
Edit: no Schwarzkopf stepped down after the Gulf War, amid failing health reasons.
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His own words on his involvement are pretty realistic:
I looked at the four [sources] that [the CIA] gave me for [the mobile bio-labs], and they stood behind them, ... Now it appears not to be the case that it was that solid. At the time I was preparing the presentation, it was presented to me as being solid.
I feel terrible ... [giving the speech] ... It's a blot. I'm the one who presented it on behalf of the United States to the world, and [it] will always be a part of my record. It was painful. It's painful now.
Does sarcasm make you feel any better about it? :speakcool: At any rate, I would say that Colin Powell's current feelings about the republican party are similar to those of many other Americans. The party and the party's leadership, ergo the president, ended up letting them down... not the other way around.
Let's face it, the Republican Party in the United States has become very narrow in the past 8-12 years. It is not the same party it was in the eighties with president Reagan at the helm. The neo-cons transmogrified it into something perverse and outside the main view of traditional American conservatism. A majority of citizens, whether they care to openly admit that point or not, realize that and they are going let their voices be heard come November 4th.
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It's true Powell never mentions Irak in his statement. Except indirectly as "We have two wars".
Colin Powell resigned (discreetly) because of the way the Irak occupation was handled, and because the casus belli, the presence of WMDs were never found. That is difficult to dispute. He did say so and resigned after that.
Reading further I find that
Still the question will arises, giving his direct involvement. It seems that Powell endorses at least a turn-around about these matters.
But if he endorses Obama's opinions and plans on Irak, he runs quite counter to the discrete manner in which he resigned and expressed disagreement. In fact against everything that the Republicans (and neoconservatives among them) believe about Irak. It's almost giving the lie to his former boss.
Maybe Powell would make a better president than any of the two candidates now. Or at any rate is too honest to ever run for president. Take your pick.
That's why I said this speaks volumes.
Colin Powell resigned (discreetly) because of the way the Irak occupation was handled, and because the casus belli, the presence of WMDs were never found. That is difficult to dispute. He did say so and resigned after that.
Reading further I find that
Still the question will arises, giving his direct involvement. It seems that Powell endorses at least a turn-around about these matters.
But if he endorses Obama's opinions and plans on Irak, he runs quite counter to the discrete manner in which he resigned and expressed disagreement. In fact against everything that the Republicans (and neoconservatives among them) believe about Irak. It's almost giving the lie to his former boss.
Maybe Powell would make a better president than any of the two candidates now. Or at any rate is too honest to ever run for president. Take your pick.
That's why I said this speaks volumes.
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