Speaking of which... I might have a line on some alcohol here is a few minutes. The batch of "apple pie" is supposed to be ready for pickup today.
But I am not sure, if this really helps in this context, since the worst harm that I can see here for the helpers is a high threat of alcohol intoxication this weekend.
It was just a thought that came to my mind about the drowning man example - it was that comment I was criticizing.
Well, the moral of the story was, that the man was given adequate help three times before drowning, but refused for waiting for better help. And then complained to God why he did let him drown.
Approach by his back,
My perception of the history is that he drown due three egocentric "helpers" who let him die because they wasn't asked properly.
I was told a history when young. A firefighter taught me to never approach a drowning man by the front.
Approach by his back, grasp him firmly by the neck - to keep his head above the water, *and* also to choke him if he became a risk to the mission.
About this thread, I simply stated my firm conviction than introducing money in addons (by any direct or indirect way) is a threat for the free Orbiter itself. There are several addon developers that would be more than happy to have a possiblity to make money with that, so any breach would quickly become a highway. And we would have "addons of the poor", made by the goodwill of amateurs, and "addons of the rich", made by professionals. The Orbiter community would be split in 2 categories, and I don't want to see that happen. Now I decline any responsability for anyone taking offense of that point of view. :2cents:
Have you ever bothered following the full story
Reducing the many people tried their best to help and dedicate a huge part of their lifetime to his problems to "three egocentric helpers" makes me pretty angry.
Seriously: Nobody who tried to help in the past weeks has said less, than I could have said about his problems - and nobody turned him down or did not respect him as equal despite his problems. It is not about what you describe as "Using the formally correct way to ask for help" (which I consider really insulting).
It is all about expectations.
About this thread, I simply stated my firm conviction than introducing money in addons (by any direct or indirect way) is a threat for the free Orbiter itself. [...] The Orbiter community would be split in 2 categories, and I don't want to see that happen.
That's my point. You are taking this as it was about you. Its is not.
You are responsible for your feelings, not anyone else. Focus on the facts, not in your feelings, and things starts to be worked out.
Yes, I saw it. And yet, it was ridiculously simple to solve the guy's problem.
I have no doubt that he could had done a better job while asking for help, but seriously - being the problem so simple, it appears to me that a better job on hearing him could also be done by others.
How you can lead others to better ways without hearing them first?
Back to the context - it used to work a decade ago. Now there are many more other entertainments (Kerbal, Facebook, tablets, etc.), therefore we rarely see any freshblood programming. People like me and you on the other side are too busy working for rents and will have a hard time getting back to hobby programming. This is why when I see somebody younger doing some good work, I have no problem in seeing him financed. However I definitely don't mean that I expect anybody to perform the financing. Just promoting the tolerance for it.We might be a bit anarchic here, but usually this community worked well by letting people lead themselves and learn how to do things themselves, instead of relying on others to do it.
Sorry, but I prefer to be human. In good and in bad times. Also, trying to responsible for your feelings is just like trying to command to flood.
Yes, but especially because the problem was so simple, it was sure no deal to also expect him to learn doing this himself. Don't mistake that many here did not understand his problem. I am pretty sure, most did and did simply not realize how low his motivation was to try the suggested solution himself.
Which is why my own position to his offer was simple: Offering me $50 for the job would have been a deadly insult
It is not about leadership here. Also, leadership is more than just telling people what they want to hear.[...]
We might be a bit anarchic here, but usually this community worked well by letting people lead themselves and learn how to do things themselves, instead of relying on others to do it.
I don't get any satisfaction if somebody I was helping is starting to depend on me.
It's easy for a guy that attended Microsoft's 1015A course to understand quickly how things work on VS 2013 and how to code Dialog driven applications on it (by a example). If you took formal classes on Finite States Machines and Messaging Passing IPC on High School, it became ridiculously simple - 80% of the time is spent searching on that fscking Microsoft Documentation for the correct Control (and how to pass/receive data from it).
80% of the development time is so spent searching on that fscking Microsoft Documentation
So to get back on the topic: did the OP pay the 50$ to Meson for his excellent service or not?
Would be interesting to know if this kind of business actually works here, since donation-ware needs allowance AFAIK, but direct market transactions like this seem to be "free". Is this forum (Addon Development) the best place to offer work and/or jobs on decent prices?
Yes he did.
I still would have helped even if this thread was free...
Let's not turn this thread into another "License Mega-wars thread", it seems to be the way its going :uhh:
It's fascinating how "fscking" became a legitimate substitute for "ing" in CS circles lately. In light of the unixoid origin of the fsck command, especially in combination with Microsoft it looks funny. :thumbup:
Yes. And then you need 4 years to define, design, implement, test and deploy a Hello World application.
Seriously: You need no permission to program without any of that.
Let's not turn this thread into another "License Mega-wars thread", it seems to be the way its going :uhh: