$800, Home Made, Motion Simulator Cockpit

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Yes, you read that right. For $800 you can build your own motion fighter jet cockpit. Not some chair with vibrators, but an actual moving pit.

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I wonder what swiss insurance companies would say about that... :lol:

For about 600 Euros, that's one hell of a thing, though. Has he posted any plans, or does he offer to manufacter them?
 

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the cartoon bubble in the video says to follow the link for DIY !! so get to it!!

But track IR with a single monitor is pretty stupid, you end up looking back at the screen 'shifty-eyed' anyways. You need multiple monitors.
 
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Some companies make motion simulators for about 30,000 us.
And they're significantly higher quality than that thing and don't require dozens of hours of work to get set up.

That's how things work. You can pay more to get it done professionally, or you can pay less and invest a lot of time to do it yourself. Not surprising.

But track IR with a single monitor is pretty stupid, you end up looking back at the screen 'shifty-eyed' anyways. You need multiple monitors.
Have you ever actually used a trackIR with a single monitor? I have glasses, so am fairly limited in how "shifty-eyed" I can get, and I have absolutely no problems with it. Far from "stupid," it's an absolutely amazing experience and I can't live without it.

Plus, since FSX doesn't support a single viewport spanning multiple monitors, and the TrackIR only affects one viewport, you can't have a TrackIR work very well with multiple monitors. Given the choice between a TrackIR with a single fairly large monitor, or multiple monitors, I'd have to go for the TrackIR.
 

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You need one of these for a proper TrackIR experience. As a matter of fact, you need one of these for any proper computing experience today. In this day and age, I really wonder why these aren't an every day fact, instead of a limited novelty.

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At 6500 USD, I'd have to agree with that assessment. Damn cool, but it'll put a dent in your bank account that'll take some time to buff out.
 

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because they're awfully expensive? :lol:

Why should they be, my big widescreen monitor costs $170, get 3 of them together and its $510. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason why a single piece ultrawidescreen monitor should cost more than that. It would be a normal flat panel LCD in every way, except the screen would be long. And if there there was one for $700 I would buy it at once. There is NO reason why these things should cost $6,500. A 70 inch plasma screen doesn't cost that much...


And this is how big a 70 inch TV is:
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Turbinator said:
Why should they be, my big widescreen monitor costs $170, get 3 of them together and its $510. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason why a single piece ultrawidescreen monitor should cost more than that. It would be a normal flat panel LCD in every way, except the screen would be long. And if there there was one for $700 I would buy it at once. There is NO reason why these things should cost $9,000. A 70 inch plasma screen doesn't cost that much...
...Because it's made by Alienware!? :lol:
 

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when a certain undetermined amount of early-adopter suckers buy it the price will drop to where I'll buy one. till then, to me, it is non-existent. A tech demo, nothing more.

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And they're significantly higher quality than that thing and don't require dozens of hours of work to get set up.

That's how things work. You can pay more to get it done professionally, or you can pay less and invest a lot of time to do it yourself. Not surprising.


Have you ever actually used a trackIR with a single monitor? I have glasses, so am fairly limited in how "shifty-eyed" I can get, and I have absolutely no problems with it. Far from "stupid," it's an absolutely amazing experience and I can't live without it.


I still have to disagree, if I look left then I see perhaps a wall or the hallway or bookcase. I am certainly not looking at a monitor. So if trackIR shows me something and I'm not looking that way, what's the point. I ain't gonna see it! Sure, it lets you get a bouncy view with a slightly different perspective. But that's about it.

It is a concept product, that, when refined, may be useful and fun.. Meantime to all you beta-testers out there! Let's get purchasing the next version and keep it up!!
 
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Oh...in that case, I guess it's because they can.

Also, I think TrackIR is an incredible ripoff as well. Such a thing is possible for, at most, $50 USD, using free software (FreeTrack), a Wii remote, cheap DIY tracking clip, and Bluetooth adapter. I'm actually very surprised that this guy built that whole thing, and yet, just bought a TrackIR.
I think he either didn't know about it, or ran out of Coffee. :coffee:
 

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Why should they be, my big widescreen monitor costs $170, get 3 of them together and its $510. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason why a single piece ultrawidescreen monitor should cost more than that. It would be a normal flat panel LCD in every way, except the screen would be long. And if there there was one for $700 I would buy it at once. There is NO reason why these things should cost $6,500. A 70 inch plasma screen doesn't cost that much...
Because manufacturing curved screens is a whole lot more expensive than manufacturing flat ones, and it's a lot higher pixel pitch than the 70" screen you point out. The more pixels you're manufacturing on a single panel, the more likely you are to run into manufacturing defects, and the more expensive it gets.

I still have to disagree, if I look left then I see perhaps a wall or the hallway or bookcase. I am certainly not looking at a monitor. So if trackIR shows me something and I'm not looking that way, what's the point. I ain't gonna see it!
Have you actually used a TrackIR? Judging by your comments, I suspect not.

Are your eyes glued straight forward in your sockets?

The TrackIR will amplify the angle of your head movement quite a bit (and you can configure by how much. For me, I have it set so that turning my head to point at the edge of my monitor--5-10 degrees--causes about a 90 degree change in the view on screen. Only a few more degrees takes the view all the way to 180). Again, I wear glasses, which restricts my usable forward field of view, but I have absolutely no trouble keeping my eyes focused on the center of the screen while I turn my head a few degrees.

Sure, it lets you get a bouncy view with a slightly different perspective. But that's about it.
This comment alone makes be pretty sure that you've never used one. It gives you far more than "a bouncy view with a slightly different perspective." It gives you the ability to look around your cockpit in a very natural way, directly controlling where you look by the direction you turn your head, without needing to fiddle with the hat switch.

It is a concept product, that, when refined, may be useful and fun.. Meantime to all you beta-testers out there! Let's get purchasing the next version and keep it up!!
It already is useful and fun. If you haven't used one, I strongly recommend finding someone who has one and getting them to let you borrow it and try it out. Now that I've used one, I can't live without it when simming--it very quickly becomes second nature. And, like I said--I had the conscious choice between using multiple monitors and using a TrackIR, and I picked the TrackIR, and would repeat that choice any day. The TrackIR allows you to look in any direction, which is amazing for flying anything that isn't an airliner.

With three monitors, your field of view is still limited to a narrow band in front of and slightly to the sides, with no ability to look "up" during aerobatic maneuvers to see where you're going without resorting to the unnatural and clunky hat switch.

Also, I think TrackIR is an incredible ripoff as well. Such a thing is possible for, at most, $50 USD, using free software (FreeTrack), a Wii remote, cheap DIY tracking clip, and Bluetooth adapter. I'm actually very surprised that this guy built that whole thing, and yet, just bought a TrackIR.
I think he either didn't know about it, or ran out of Coffee. :coffee:
I'd guess you haven't used one either? TrackIR has overall higher quality, more options, and is better supported than FreeTrack. When it comes to how much he's saving, saving tens of thousands of dollars on a DIY motion rig in exchange for lots of time building makes perfect sense. Saving a mere $100 isn't worth the added work and reduced quality.

It's also possible that he already owned the TrackIR (wouldn't surprise me to learn that someone who would go to this much trouble for a simpit already owned one), so it didn't cost him anything for this project. This is also suggested by the fact that he's using the older passive hat-tracking device and not the newer active one which is more accurate (and doesn't cost much at all).
 

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I'd guess you haven't used one either?
You're right, I haven't (and I don't know anyone with one). It's also obvious that my budget for cool gadgetry is quite low. :lol: I'd still like to point out that FreeTrack mimics the TrackIR interface in its output, so it should be fine in terms of support.
Everything else you said, though, makes perfect sense, so I guess I've lost my say in this. :tiphat: Maybe you've already convinced me...

Also, :threadjacked:
 

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I use FreeTrack and it is more than adequate. Cost me about $10 and 1 hour to build the thing, then about 20 minutes to get it properly calibrated. Yea sure I actually spent more than that, but most of went into the FT rig was also on my toolbox wish list for other DIY/repair stuff I do so I bought in "bulk."

Back to the rig. WOW! I've played in those professional rigs at aerospace museums and even the ones that don't go inverted are a far cry from sitting static. I can't wait till the day someone (maybe me :p) builds a gimbal ring simpit to allow for 3-axis motion :p
 

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Why should they be, my big widescreen monitor costs $170, get 3 of them together and its $510. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason why a single piece ultrawidescreen monitor should cost more than that. It would be a normal flat panel LCD in every way, except the screen would be long. And if there there was one for $700 I would buy it at once. There is NO reason why these things should cost $6,500. A 70 inch plasma screen doesn't cost that much...

Pretty simple explanation, as Hielor pointed out: The higher reolution you need on a screen, the more expensive it gets. HD TVs are also a lot cheaper than a computer screen of comparable size, since their resolution is not even double of what a modern cellphone has, and by far not as much as a computer screen (and no matter how big a TV, it's resolution remains the same. You may plaster the whole wall with a TV screen, all you'll get are bigger pixels, not more). That baby in your picture needs an awfully high resolution on one screen, which makes it probably more expensive to manufacture than three screens with a somwehat lower resolution (even if they have altogether more pixel than the other screen! you're not paying per pixel, you're paying per pixel per screen!). Add to that the fact that they won't sell as many of those as of the lower res screens, i.e. they need a much larger profit margin per screen, and you get a pretty good Idea why they are that expensive.
 
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