Internet Usefulness of social media?

I like sites like this where detailed discussions on important topics can be discussed. That's not what happens on Facebook or Twitter.

So what? it's the same technology. The fact that John Everyman's daughter who doesn't even know what a byte is can show the world her new haircolor before even leaving the bathroom is certainly a sign of technological advancement, no matter whether or not there is an actual utility in it.

Like it or not, but technological advancement relies on the fact that billions of people can eventually use and defile the technology and are willing to pay for the privilege. That's economics...

I hate to say it, but without the porn industry nobody might ever have been motivated to develop the kinds of bandwith we have nowadays. It's a travesty, but there you have it.
 
That's a valid use. But when the number of people using these useful sites is one thousandth that of those using the Justin Bieber one, it's very dubious to use the gross users numbers as a sign of technological progress.
On the other hand, when you see a billion people using Google they all are increasing their useful knowledge to some degree. Granted many do searches on Justin Bieber but the overwhelming majority also do searches on useful information, if not every one of them.

There you and I have to majorly disagree.

If I built twitter and had 10 million people all after justin bieber updates then that is a valid use for those 10 million people.

At one point the most searched for term on google was 'yahoo' because people were too lazy click on the toolbar and type in it.

In 2012, the most searched for terms were:

  1. Euro 2012
  2. Olympic tickets
  3. Whitney Houston
  4. Kate Middleton
  5. April Jones
  6. Netflix
  7. NatWest Online
  8. iPad 3
  9. Gary Barlow
  10. Gangnam style

Almost as bad as justin bieber? (source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20677541)

The point is that these tools are ALL useful to people in different ways and why should any of us condemn someone for using them to look up Justin Bieber? I'm sure that a justin bieber fan will find my twitter feed just as boring. We are all different yet these tools do bring us together.
 
Observers of technological advance such as Ray Kurzweil regard the great expansion in the use of social media such as Facebook and Twitter as indications of our technological advancement.

That thinking is a bit back-to-front. If someone joins Facebook or Twitter, they're not causing technological development, they're making use of a phenomenon that exists due to possibilities enabled by the internet and modern computers and is popular because people find them useful or enjoyable. The popularity of social media isn't made possible by technology nowdays being more advanced than that in say, 1999- it's made possible by technology being more ubiquitous.
 
So what? it's the same technology. The fact that John Everyman's daughter who doesn't even know what a byte is can show the world her new haircolor before even leaving the bathroom is certainly a sign of technological advancement, no matter whether or not there is an actual utility in it.
Like it or not, but technological advancement relies on the fact that billions of people can eventually use and defile the technology and are willing to pay for the privilege. That's economics...
I hate to say it, but without the porn industry nobody might ever have been motivated to develop the kinds of bandwith we have nowadays. It's a travesty, but there you have it.

A valid point.

Bob Clark

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There you and I have to majorly disagree.
If I built twitter and had 10 million people all after justin bieber updates then that is a valid use for those 10 million people.
At one point the most searched for term on google was 'yahoo' because people were too lazy click on the toolbar and type in it.
In 2012, the most searched for terms were:
  1. Euro 2012
  2. Olympic tickets
  3. Whitney Houston
  4. Kate Middleton
  5. April Jones
  6. Netflix
  7. NatWest Online
  8. iPad 3
  9. Gary Barlow
  10. Gangnam style
Almost as bad as justin bieber? (source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20677541)
The point is that these tools are ALL useful to people in different ways and why should any of us condemn someone for using them to look up Justin Bieber? I'm sure that a justin bieber fan will find my twitter feed just as boring. We are all different yet these tools do bring us together.

I'm not saying people should not be able to follow Justin Bieber's every move via his Twitter feed, I was doubting Ray Kurzweil's claim that the large number of people doing so indicates a technological advance.

Bob Clark
 
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The popularity of social media isn't made possible by technology nowdays being more advanced than that in say, 1999- it's made possible by technology being more ubiquitous.

Agreed. All technology does is get that information to people quicker than the magazines would do back in 1999. Of course, this also causes it's own problems when someone tweets something incorrect.
 
someone tweets something incorrect

What, not everything on the internet is the solid truth!!!!!

At least in the good old days of Telex you could act on 99.9% of messages.
 
What, not everything on the internet is the solid truth!!!!!

At least in the good old days of Telex you could act on 99.9% of messages.

Yes. What has been printed into books must be correct...

I find it really good, that today, only hours pass between the publication of a blatant lie, and until millions of volunteers have found why it is a lie, caught evidence of the speaker knowing the truth, documented the truth...

The Internet is really a great tool.

No need for cultural pessimism.
 
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At one point the most searched for term on google was 'yahoo'
That's freaking awesome:rofl:
It's like when someone asks me what Internet Explorer is for, and I tell them "It's the program you use to download Firefox:)

But in all seriousness: Google is dead to me. When they bought out YouTube, they decided that everyone had to use a Google user name to sign in to Youtube, so my old channel is unavailable. I can forgive a lot of things, but that is not one of them. The only reason I have a Google account now is so I can have a YouTube account.

YouTube and OF are my only real social media presences. I dabble in Twitter a bit, but it holds little interest to me.
 
http://www.dailytech.com/Study+One+Third+of+Internet+is+Crammed+With+Porn/article18760.htm

Porn continues to be a dominant sector of the internet and a massive amount of bandwidth comes to/from porn sites.

The amount of storage that is used on a daily basis is staggering. IBM estimates it to be 2.5 quintillion bytes a day (2.27TB). A lot of that will be duplicated data though in terms of replication and backup.

The porn sector is estimated to have 50% of the storage available on the planet today.
 
The porn sector is estimated to have 50% of the storage available on the planet today.

And is a key technology driver in the internet. The porn sector does not invent much, but is really fast to use new technologies.

Sex sells... As sad as it is.
 
I wish it was... I really do.

Luckily, only half of it is porn. The rest is advertisement.

What really surprises me... if half of the internet is porn... what does Iran do when half of their internet is gone?
 
Well, to bring life back to the discussion, I have this reply for Clark in the OP

I am an atheist living in Indonesia, and my parents make just enough income for me to have all the imported books that I want, but not enough for me to go to college abroad or to join AAI and the stuff. If my kind want to make a real organization in the real life, it will be such a mess especially with the hardline organizations (both Christian and Muslim) being around. Which means that our largest gathering is inside facebook, not in real life, and the fact is for people like me, who can't afford to have education abroad, forums like this and discussions with intelects in facebook is the best discussion I could get in my life. For you, perhaps, this kind of things doesn't affect you because you already have it in your life, and you're living in a relatively freer country than mine (well mine is already considered relatively free, we have been reported multiple times in a local english-language newspaper, total casualty had been exactly one atheist, because he broke "the taboo" but his incarceration can still be considered as human rights violation, but that is for another discussion, and in basement)

So dismissing this social media as a development is simply, according to me, a bias which you might have for living somewhere where you can find many things facebook and twitter provides, but then again in real life. Twitter and Facebook had been an assistance for the Arab Spring (the real one by the young man, before the Islamic Brotherhood hijacked it). And then again it played such a great role in the first truely democratic election in Jakarta resulting in our new governor Joko Widodo, he didn't have speeches and pamphlets around like other candidates, he simply visited all the backwaters where the problems are and filmed it and uploaded it to youtube and spread pictures to twitter where the huge of masses of the middle class is waiting to retweet them and spread it to the next person. In my experience, especially in the middle class -laden Jakarta, Twitter and Facebook had been a very useful tool for the growing democracy and also a very huge forum where people can talk politically without having to leave their shops or their work in the office, and whatnot with the quirk of having the traditional media going much less efficiently compared to the west, the social media had been the no.1 destination for the middle-class to discuss and stage actions.

For people who can use it, or for those who have traditional media being dumbasses like here, social media can enhance your activities more than just to spread some jokes, or to see the news of your friends starting to get married. Social media, especially for the middle class, has become an integrated feature of their political life. In here the battle between Islamism vs Secularism is not fought on in the streets, but rather in twitter, with less mess resulted in it unlike the protests going on by some college students and whatever the hell they're fighting for today which always result in a street filled with burnt tires.
 
Without any disrespect, you are the exception which proves the rule!
 
I like this. The number of countries joining the "nuclear club" is increasing and so is the number of countries capable of orbital, and ICBM, launch. Perhaps social media could be used by the people themselves not their governments to connect us together. That would be an interesting question to see how that could be done.

You might want to take a look at this. Best use of social media I have seen:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lp-NMaU0r8"]Israel and Iran: A love story? - YouTube[/ame]
 
I have face book. I have 7 friends on it 5 of them my close family XD i only use it to see what's up on nasa and ESA pages
 
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