Skylab 1973 rebuild

[Urwumpe]

I think for understanding "Center station" you have to look at the locations of the EVA work stations. Also, the rotation makes sense to me, since you have only one hatch and workstation on the external ATM structure (with the CMGs and other electronics), but two film retrival cut outs on the gimballing inner structure.

 

[gattispilot]

There are 5 doors. I think the opening at the center workstation is open. And the Can rotates to get access to the doors. So the access doors need to be able to rotate to the opening in the ATm structure, right?

 

[gattispilot]

Here are 2 images A and B I am not sure which is correct. But I think B is. In B you get access to the film doors . The film doors are red and the ATM access center station is yellow.

 

[gattispilot]

I found these. It seems to support the B lay out.
Also 3 sets of feet restraints.

 

[Urwumpe]

Here are 2 images A and B I am not sure which is correct. But I think B is. In B you get access to the film doors . The film doors are red and the ATM access center station is yellow.

Maybe you need to correct the coordinate system first. +X and -X for Skylab itself are +Z and -Z in Orbiter, which means, your drawings are not for the deployed ATM but either the stowed ATM or there are ATM local coordinates for NASA.

 

[gattispilot]

Correct in the nasa drawing +- X are +- Z in orbiter. But I was basing it off the position of the sunshield. The sunshield has a notch for the ladder. The ladder is -Z orbiter.

But it is the position of the telescopes that I question. Just need to figure middle position? Who knows if the film access doors are in the middle or the side. But they need to be in the area of the film access opening.

 

[Urwumpe]

Correct in the nasa drawing +- X are +- Z in orbiter. But I was basing it off the position of the sunshield. The sunshield has a notch for the ladder. The ladder is -Z orbiter.

But it is the position of the telescopes that I question. Just need to figure middle position? Who knows if the film access doors are in the middle or the side. But they need to be in the area of the film access opening.

Well, the sunshield is not connected to the rotating telescope carrier, maybe those are different or displayed from the MDA end, not the sun end.

 

[gattispilot]

Yes, the shield does not rotate. I guess when ever the starting point is. the can must be about to rotate enough to allow access to the film hatches thru the center station.

I have seen in real images a label on the hatch. I may do that. I will add the foot restraint for the transfer station. Not sure angle/position though

 

[gattispilot]

I adjusted and add the 3 sets of foot restraints.

next is to label the hatches and cut/label the hatches on the Can.
I will rotate the can so that you would access from the Center station

 

[barrygolden]

thanks for adding the foot restraints under the ATM I did see a video of the deployment of the twin pole shade where one of the guys is in those

 

[gattispilot]

Yes. I think they are in the correct spot?

If the boom are part of Skylab they need to be modeled with the mesh else they can be independent.

 

[Urwumpe]

AFAIR, the extendible booms are EVA tools, are installed into their mounting cases (at launch?) and held there by latches. Two booms were used for EVA operations, the third was a spare.

Just look into the lower right corner of Figure 4 (page 15) here:

http://spacearchitect.org/pubs/NASA-JSC-09561.pdf

Also, they are remote controlled from within the EVA bay inside the FAS, but have provisions for manual control at their base. Figure 4 again shows a abstract drawing of the control panel.

If you would ask me I would make the mounting cases part of Skylab, put an attachment into each and make the extensible boom a vessel, that can attach to the mounting cases. The third boom case has no power and simply acts as storage for the third boom. I'd implement a MFD to talk to the booms from within an EVA astronaut for getting a fast and useful player interface. An animated panel in the EVA bay could maybe provide feedback without direct interaction with the player. Much better would be a custom 2D panel inside a custom astronaut vessel, but be much more effort.

 

[Urwumpe]

Maybe that is interesting for you, these are some documents that talk about the working principles of the extendible booms:

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19700030293/downloads/19700030293.pdf

Skylab: the film transfer boom | The Aeronautical Journal | Cambridge Core

Skylab: the film transfer boom - Volume 79 Issue 769

www.cambridge.org

 

[gattispilot]

Thanks. I don't have/can't get access to the cambridge article.

Yes. I can make the mesh and boom and hook extend.

We really don't have a good eva mesh. But the guy could attach to the boom case and use a pop up window to extend/dettach the file canister.

 

[gattispilot]

Latest mesh

In the EVA bay are the bases for the booms. You can see the H alpha 1 access panel. And the rotational control. Hatches on the sunshield labeled.

 

[gattispilot]

Here you can rotate and pitch the Canister. Open the hatches on top and the MDA window. The pop out window has most of the animation.

Lights. right now there is one that lights the eva bay. But I think there was one on the Sun end station.

It has CMG controls. BUT not sure about the sun pointing part.

Not sure which launch vessel to test with.

 

[Urwumpe]

Not sure which launch vessel to test with.

What about making your own launch vehicle? I would suggest you to stay compatible to NASSP and have some tests running to check this (or friendly testers to do that for you), but have a more accessible Apollo spacecraft as your baseline, either included in your add-on or as external project. I don't know how high your chances are, to request a AMSO extension, but you could at least ask.

 

[barrygolden]

try to use the AMSO launch Saturns. I did try the MS2015 Saturns but not working might be able to get that working as well

 

[MarkWatney2015]

AMSO meshes are encrypted beyond non-Apollo missions, but yeah Multistage2015 Saturns is a possible alternative, though needs to be ported for newer Orbiter versions first

....I don't know how high your chances are, to request a AMSO extension, but you could at least ask.

I've been personally longing for an AMSO-compatible Skylab as well, but I thought it was hardcoded for lunar missions only?

 

[Urwumpe]

I've been personally longing for an AMSO-compatible Skylab as well, but I thought it was hardcoded for lunar missions only?

Yes, exactly. But then, it has a perfectly clean user interface, if there would be no AMSO Skylab, I would steal many ideas there.