Launch News North Korea successfully shoot satellite into space! December 12, 2012

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maybe they purposefully used attitude control to give the satellite a tumbling out of control appearance as a way to mask their true navigating and control capabilities :shifty:

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Also, you are of course aware that a single launch of a single rocket is no threat.
You are of course aware this will not end now. There will be more launches. I even dare to predict that next satellite will not tumble.

Someone can get better in whatever he is doing, imagine that.
 

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You are of course aware this will not end now. There will be more launches. I even dare to predict that next satellite will not tumble.

Someone can get better in whatever he is doing, imagine that.

Someone will at best have 60 years of lifetime before having to retire or die. Someone will have to step back into second row or a staff position after about 25 years of service.

Still, this someone will need to practice launching operations for his unit. This someone will need life fire training for being prepared, because simulations can not replace the real thing. Someone will require such training for every station in his career. From just being one tiny gear in the wheel, to general of the rocket forces.

You think that it is easily possible to use a small number of actual launches to improve the system and technology AND get soldiers proficient with it, so you can in a really bad situation, when all goes against you, fire all your rockets properly without non-technical problems ruining your attack?

You also can't use satellite launches as military training. some procedures are similar, but you have too many deviations in the process.
 

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Time for some updates..... ;)

1. The South Korean Navy, which was of course on high alert during the launch, was able to locate and found the place where the first stage of the rocket fell within two hours of the launch. Later they managed to get the first stage oxidizer tank out of the water, where experts will no doubt get some very careful inspection of it.........

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2. Oh yes, The Dear Leader Kim Jong-un (TM) is at the LCC for this launch........ maybe this satellite launch has something to do with making an effort for pushing him as the TIME's Person of the Year 2012........ :rofl:

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(although I can't say if this is really what happened...... :p)

3. Despite the North Koreans claiming that propaganda songs are being played by the satellite, all efforts from satellite observers across the globe to capture its radio signals have failed miserably (for comparison, this is a detailed record of the radio signals from the first Iranian satellite in 2009). At least someone did track the satellite flying in orbit on camera......
 

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If the satellite control was lost, it is obviously because the X-37B kicked it with one wing :lol:
 

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It reminds me too much of Kerbal Space Program.
 

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Well, what they call tumbling is probably just a missing RCS, huh?

It's probably a simple brick, maybe with a transmitter. The first Soviet and the first American satellites were also not more than this? But we're superior to them...

Sputnik and Explorer 1 both did useful science.
 

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Space War: N. Korea satellite appears dead: scientist:
A satellite launched with fanfare last week by a defiant North Korea appears to be dead as no signal can be detected, a US-based astrophysicist who monitors spaceflights said Monday.

The United States and its Asian allies have acknowledged that North Korea succeeded Wednesday in putting an object into orbit that the communist state said was observing the Earth and airing patriotic songs.

Jonathan McDowell of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics said that the satellite was clearly in orbit but that no songs could be heard.

"To the best of our knowledge, the satellite isn't operating," he said.

"It's definitely up there and it's whizzing around, but it's just not feeling very well."

McDowell said it was unclear whether the satellite -- called the Kwangmyongsong-3 -- worked initially and that it remained possible that it was transmitting at a level too faint for detection.

But in another sign of trouble, McDowell said that the satellite was fluctuating in brightness. That means that the sun is shining at different angles and the satellite is not pointing down at the Earth as it should.

Even if not functioning, the satellite remains in orbit. The commercial site www.n2yo.com on Monday tracked the satellite as orbiting at least 505 kilometers (314 miles) above Earth, in line with North Korean statements.

"These things are hard to calculate, but roughly speaking, an object of that density at that height is going to stay up for a few years," McDowell said.

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My personal guess is that they just sent the dummy satellite they showed reporters. It makes sense. The launch was about testing the rocket.

Tumbling or not, the satellite has solar panels on 4 sides so it should be capable to broadcast some kind of beacon for a few days on batteries+limited solar power. IF it was turned ON in the first place...

So I predict that the next launch will feature a "live" satellite.

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This article is a must read regarding the trajectory:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/12/launch/all/

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The 3rd stage performed a trajectory correction, which is not that trivial. I would be nice to simulate it in Orbiter.
 
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It could also have failed a few seconds after the separation, when many systems had a mode change. The problem is, that no tracking station was in LOS for noticing if it even send telemetry during that critical phase. usually, you exactly try to have this, have live telemetry until the first minutes of independent flight are over.
 
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