New Star Wars movies confirmed (NO SPOILERS!)

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I don't understand why Episode I is so disgusting, hideous and terrible that statements like this are commonplace. Yes, it was weird and sort of disappointing, but next to II it's not even really bad. As a kid who loved Star Wars, I thought it was pretty awesome. (Granted I was 9 or 10 at the time...)

It's because it's full of things that are incoherent. The plot is so full of hole's it's like Swiss cheese. The next time you watch it, really pay attention and think about what people are doing/why. Oh, and then there's midichlorians, bad acting, and Jar Jar, and the list goes on. etc. People hate the prequels because they really are awful movies- just look past the special effects and you'll see.
 

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You know, I don't really understand the hate the prequels get in general. A lot of people were heavily influenced by the original films, grew up with them... but I grew up with the prequels. There wasn't really any previous experience or preconcieved notion to disappoint. Perhaps I'll upset 'true' Star Wars fans by saying this, but to me, the prequels are Star Wars.

I'm not denying that there are some really awkward moments in the prequels, or that they could be considered subpar to the original films. Re-watching the original film and trying to understand the viewpoint of a 1970s moviegoer drives home how revolutionary Star Wars was. I think it'd be difficult for any film to match that achievement.

One wonders where George Lucas' penchant for 'updated editions' of his films comes in when the prequels are regarded. I haven't watched any of the fan-edits, but you can just see where minor changes could improve the overall quality greatly.

And while we can all criticise Lucas' alterations to the original trilogy, one should at least understand his motivations- he wants to retain his creative authority over his work and improve on it in areas he believes it was lacking.
 

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I have exactly zero interest in the new planned movies, which depresses me since I love Star Wars.

all Pixar movies were quite good.
Nope. Cars 2. I rest my case.
 
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I have exactly zero interest in the new planned movies, which depresses me since I love Star Wars.


Nope. Cars 2. I rest my case.

Toy Story 3, WALL-E, etc. You really can't judge an entire studio's production worth by one bad egg.
 

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I notice those who don't hate the prequels tend to be younger guys. What you remember from childhood you tend to remember fondly. Which is why we who remember the real Star Wars movies hate it when Lucas not only alters those fond memories but goes so far as to deny us the chance to them ever again. It'd be like Disney inserting a bunch of CGI garbage into Snow White and then destroying the original film. I really don't understand why Lucas would do that and why he doesn't understand the anger it spawns.

And I join in the chorus of prequel-haters. Truly awful movies in so many ways, especially Episode I.
 

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I notice those who don't hate the prequels tend to be younger guys. What you remember from childhood you tend to remember fondly. Which is why we who remember the real Star Wars movies hate it when Lucas not only alters those fond memories but goes so far as to deny us the chance to them ever again. It'd be like Disney inserting a bunch of CGI garbage into Snow White and then destroying the original film. I really don't understand why Lucas would do that and why he doesn't understand the anger it spawns.

And I join in the chorus of prequel-haters. Truly awful movies in so many ways, especially Episode I.
It's called the nostalgia filter.
 

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What you remember from childhood you tend to remember fondly.

Yes and no. I fondly remember Star Wars from my childhood, but that doesn't give me good reason to ignore the flaws in the prequels, which are pretty undeniable.

I agree with you that it is pretty bad that the original versions aren't distributed at all; they should be out there for their 'historical value' if nothing else, regardless of the reception of the remastered versions. On the other hand, Lucas may not regard his unremastered creation fit for distribution, and I suppose he's free to believe that if he wishes... but I do think it's pretty silly. Past work may not be the best, and may be pretty embarassing, but that is hardly reason to ignore its existence (especially if the only one shaming you for it is yourself).

I mean, anyone remember this thing?

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It was my first addon for Orbiter, and it was horrible. I've considered 'remastered' versions of it, but if I ever released something like that, I wouldn't delete the original. It may be awful, but I'm still darn proud of it.
 

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People forget that there is one reason why Star Wars is changed ever so slightly and why Disney would choose to extend the franchise. It is because people (myself included) will be more than happy to consume the crap.

In the end, it is always about the money.

By the way, I grew up in the original Star Wars generation. I didn't dislike the prequels. They were new Star Wars movies for a new generation. From a purely cinematic perspective, I find all of the Star Wars movies to be over dramatic and cheesy at times, but isn't that what makes Sci-Fi Sci-Fi? My all time favorite Sci-Fi was War of the Worlds- the original version, not Tom Cruise version.
 

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I notice those who don't hate the prequels tend to be younger guys. What you remember from childhood you tend to remember fondly. Which is why we who remember the real Star Wars movies hate it when Lucas not only alters those fond memories but goes so far as to deny us the chance to them ever again. It'd be like Disney inserting a bunch of CGI garbage into Snow White and then destroying the original film. I really don't understand why Lucas would do that and why he doesn't understand the anger it spawns.

And I join in the chorus of prequel-haters. Truly awful movies in so many ways, especially Episode I.

I really like the Snow White analogy. I think that the reason some people don't mind or care that Lucas makes all these changes is because the original trilogy has been re-released so many times!

I don't even consider the prequels a part of the Star Wars universe, or any EU stuff either. As far as I'm concerned, there's just the original trilogy. That's it; the rest is pure commercialism. (It's obvious "A New Hope" was just slapped on so SW would have a subtitle like the other films. The film from '77 is just called Star Wars!)

George Lucas started Star Wars, but plenty of other talented people were involved in the creation of the OT. He gets way too much credit. Consider things like the horrible rough cut of SW, and his original ideas for the characters- if he had total control then SW would have been worse than the prequels.

What I don't understand is prequel-hater haters. Really, I'm no SW fanboy. I just want to see the original films!
 

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The original Star Wars did indeed have the "A New Hope" title in the opening crawl...

Edit: Also, if you like (or don't abhor) the prequels, there's an epic series of reviews of them that will enlighten you.

Go search Youtube for the "Phantom Menace review" by RedLetterMedia.
 
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Totally agree. Other companies are there to make films, Disney is there to make money. That is Disney's prime goal...money money, I fear more so than any other company.

I was truly saddened by this.

But to add...I'll be you anything that you hear "Luke, use the force" in the next film as a voice over from John Ratzenberger. :rofl:

My prediction?

These movies are going to suck. They will nevertheless make tons of money. The merchandizing alone will kill once it has Disney muscle behind it.

As long as they don't let Lucas have too much input, though, there is a chance. They should at least be better than Episode I.


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Very much agree.

Don't forget the most despicable graphic change: Sebastian Shaw replaced with Hayden Christensen in the ending scene of Return of the Jedi.

I notice those who don't hate the prequels tend to be younger guys. What you remember from childhood you tend to remember fondly. Which is why we who remember the real Star Wars movies hate it when Lucas not only alters those fond memories but goes so far as to deny us the chance to them ever again. It'd be like Disney inserting a bunch of CGI garbage into Snow White and then destroying the original film. I really don't understand why Lucas would do that and why he doesn't understand the anger it spawns.

And I join in the chorus of prequel-haters. Truly awful movies in so many ways, especially Episode I.
 

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The original Star Wars did indeed have the "A New Hope" title in the opening crawl...

Not in the very early theatrical releases. "Episode IV: A New Hope" was added in 1981 (after TESB was released in 1980), and the first VHS release was in 1982, so it was always in the VHS opening crawl, but the theatrical releases just had "Star Wars" four the first four years or so.
 

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Not in the very early theatrical releases. "Episode IV: A New Hope" was added in 1981 (after TESB was released in 1980), and the first VHS release was in 1982, so it was always in the VHS opening crawl, but the theatrical releases just had "Star Wars" four the first four years or so.

I'm not old enough to have seen it in theaters, so I bow to your superior knowledge.
 

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I notice those who don't hate the prequels tend to be younger guys. What you remember from childhood you tend to remember fondly. Which is why we who remember the real Star Wars movies hate it when Lucas not only alters those fond memories but goes so far as to deny us the chance to them ever again. It'd be like Disney inserting a bunch of CGI garbage into Snow White and then destroying the original film. I really don't understand why Lucas would do that and why he doesn't understand the anger it spawns.

And I join in the chorus of prequel-haters. Truly awful movies in so many ways, especially Episode I.

I am a younger guy, but the first I ever saw of Star Wars was the 1995 VHS version (digitally remastered, but pre-Special-Edition) of the original trilogy.

I've always found Episode I to be the best of the prequels (on par with the original trilogy), but on the other hand, unlike the original trilogy, Episode I seemed to be targeted at a specific age demographic, and I fell within that demographic when it came out. I personally hate Episode III the most, and have only seen it once. II was a decent flick on its own, but far below the standards of the original trilogy.

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I'm not old enough to have seen it in theaters, so I bow to your superior knowledge.

Neither am I. I just had heard it before and looked it up on Wikipedia when you disputed it.

Obligatory xkcd link:

http://xkcd.com/903/
 

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For all you original trilogy purist you can get "Despecialized" editions online. They are high definition original, theatrical cuts.

But you better get them fast. While Lucasfilms has not only turned a blind eye to fan edits, they have even encouraged them, Disney might have a different opinion on the free sharing of what is now their property.

BTW: Even though I am youngish (born ten years after Ep IV came out), I still got into them at a very young age, before the first major revisions. I enjoy the prequels, and watch them whenever they are on TV, though I don't own any of them. I think I am able to enjoy the prequels because I don't consider them canon with the originals. Along with all those overly sexual and dark comics and expanded universe novels I read in the 90s.
 
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Go search Youtube for the "Phantom Menace review" by RedLetterMedia.
I've been rewatching those since this thread came up. Informative and a great watch. The RotS review is always great to show to people who say "Well, episode III wasn't too bad"

Pizza rolls.
 

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I am a younger guy, but the first I ever saw of Star Wars was the 1995 VHS version (digitally remastered, but pre-Special-Edition) of the original trilogy.

I've always found Episode I to be the best of the prequels (on par with the original trilogy), but on the other hand, unlike the original trilogy, Episode I seemed to be targeted at a specific age demographic, and I fell within that demographic when it came out. I personally hate Episode III the most, and have only seen it once. II was a decent flick on its own, but far below the standards of the original trilogy.

Thanks for articulating my thoughts so well. :thumbup:
 

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I grew up with the original trilogy, and even played my share of action figures back in the days. Being a space and science fiction fan, I was (and still am) also a Star Wars fan. I've also told my kids that "Han shots first".

But I have to admit that I've enjoyed all 6 Star Wars movies. I've even enjoyed watching the Clone Wars cartoons with my kids. Maybe I'm just not "fan enough" - or just ignorant of "art" - to understand the emotions going into so much hate of the prequels.

In light of this, I'm looking forward to the new movie without much fear or hope. Therefore, I guess I'll have a nice movie experience if it hits theaters here, just as with the original movies AND the prequels.

my :2cents:
 

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The problem with the prequels was the George Lucas lost his touch. He was surrounded by more talented people during the original trilogy that pushed him to make the movies in a way that he did not want to, but in the end were far better. The experience of making Empire traumatized him so much that he eventually cut off ties with most of those people and when it came to Jedi, he just remade Star Wars, only this time with little teddy bears and some old man wizard of an Emperor.

Then, Lucas has about 1.5 movies worth of background material for the prequels, and since he needed to do a trilogy (thanks to inexplicably attaching EPISODE V to the scroll of Empire Strikes Back) he had to screw with the back story so much that it hardly made sense anymore. And it is just so stale.....

What happens in Phantom Menace? Seriously? Anakin is found on some desert planet. the rest is just filler.

What happens in Attack of the Clones? Nothing. Its all just filler and garbage. The whole thing seems to be an introduction of the Fetts and how they are related to the clones, which in the end is completely dropped.

Then finally we have Revenge of the Sith. Which Lucas had to squish all his backstory into because he did such a bad job pacing out the first 2 movies, and as a result Anakin's transformation is so quick it is almost instantaneous, as if they guy only got the job of Jedi a week ago.

and the acting......the acting is just so bad, the dialogue so brutal. Watch a Star Wars prequel and then watch Serenity. When compared to other work in the genre, Star Wars quickly fails in comparison. The more I look back on Star Wars, the thing that made it great, for me, was the hook of Han Solo and Chewbacca, being these space pirate/cowboys skirting the law living on the fringe. Sounds like Firefly/Serenity....go figure.
 
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