Meteoroid explosion in Russia

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And I think the general consensus is that it may be a rocky type meteor.(Maybe a remnant of a comet according to the water vapor in the dust cloud.)
I dare not to think what the consequences might be if it was a iron meteor.
The change that it would reach the surface was then really good IMHO.
Just think how much kinetic energy would have been released.
And that meteor broke up in a relative high altitude. The atmosphere is still very thin at that altitude.
If it exploded at say 5 to 10 K altitude, the damage would be much bigger......even the lost of lives due to the more dense atmosphere.
 
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I have one question:

Does a part of the matter of the asteroid would be converted into energy (light / heat; by E=mc²; "nuclear fusion?") in a event like this?

I think it's possible at such a high pressure it is in a event like this isn't it...?

I'm not a nuclear expert, it's just a question...

Jein.

The "Ja" part:

High pressure has nothing to do with it. Mass and energy are convertible under any conditions (being pretty much the same thing). The thermal energy in a cake fresh out of the oven contributes (minutely) to its inertia and its gravitational field. Letting the cake cool thus causes its mass to decrease by a definite (but very small) amount.

The energy released in the Chelyabinsk airburst (500kt) and the energy released by any 500kt nuke are both equivalent to about 23 grams. But it was spread out over 10,000 or 10,000,000 kg in the Chelyabinsk object, whereas a 500kt nuke would weigh about 100 kg (according to [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W56"]W56 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame], which gives 5kt / kg for modern nukes). The difference between nuclear energy releases and any other energy release is only in the fraction of mass released as energy.

The "Nein" part:

The source of the energy released in the Chelyabinsk airburst was the kinetic energy of the impactor. While both rest mass and kinetic energy contribute to the stress-energy tensor, physicists like to reserve the term "mass" for rest mass, and don't like to use it to refer to kinetic energy.
 

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So is anyone else waiting to see a tripod climb out of that hole in the ice?

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So it's 10'000 tons after all? my, we have been lucky...

Looks like it. A tiny variation in the trajectory, and we might have seen Moscow in pieces. And that would really have been a reason for conspiracy theories.
 

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Looks like it. A tiny variation in the trajectory, and we might have seen Moscow in pieces. And that would really have been a reason for conspiracy theories.

Care to elaborate on just how bad could it have been?
 

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Care to elaborate on just how bad could it have been?

Imagine a 500 kT explosion at a steeper angle much closer to the surface. An reentry angle of 50-60° would have been possible with a very high probability, just like the impactor hitting Moscow.

The air burst would be at much lower altitude, around 8-12 km. Many larger fragments will still reach the surface and create a crater field.
 

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I really don't like coincidences in science. Reports are asteroids of this size getting this close occur about once in 30 years. And meteors the size of the Russian one enter our atmosphere about similar frequency. But the problem is their both occurring in the same 24 hour period. If you imagine the asteroid arriving on a particular day, the question to ask is what is the probability of the Russian meteor arriving on that same day? Once in 30 years, and then 365 days in a year, means the chance of this happening is like 1 in 10,000. That's disturbingly unlikely.
On the other hand if this really is just coincidence, then it should be kept in mind that chances this low have been quoted in regards to large asteroids impacting Earth in our lifetime.

An article by a Yale astronomer:

A meteor and asteroid: 1 in 100 million odds.
By Meg Urry, Special to CNN
updated 8:16 PM EST, Mon February 18, 2013
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/16/opinion/urry-meteor-asteroid/index.html

She states the two have very different orbits so they should be unrelated, but acknowledges that the very low probability of their both occurring so close to each other in time is puzzling.
In view of the very real dangers that would arise IF it is the case they are related I think we should investigate some possible ways this could occur. What I mean by this is cases where we assume asteroids that make close approaches but do not impact, and therefore offer no threat, still could have associated fragments that do impact.
One way is mentioned in the comment section to this NASA blog which shows the different orbits of the asteroid and the meteor:

How Do We Know the Russian Meteor and 2012 DA14 Aren't Related?
Posted on Feb 16, 2013 11:37:14 AM | William Cooke | 25 Comments |
http://blogs.nasa.gov/cm/blog/Watch the Skies/posts/post_1361037562855.html

First though, note there are many ways a fragment could be separated from the main asteroid. For instance some asteroids are "rubble piles", loosely held together by gravity. In this case collisions among the individual fragments could send a fragment away from the main asteroid body.
Another is the obvious way of a collision with another asteroid or meteor.
Still another would be outgassing of volatiles that provides another force to separate a fragment from the asteroid.

Then once the fragment is separated from the asteroid, over time, since it was given some initial boost away and the asteroid gravity is so small, it will travel further and further away from the asteroid, though still in the same or close orbit. But the key point is depending on the direction the fragment is sent, once the asteroid comes around to the Earth or Moon or other planet on a close approach, that fragment could be much closer to that large gravitating body than the asteroid and therefore be sent on a different orbit.
Then on subsequent orbits it could impact the gravitating body. Indeed it could even be captured by the gravitating body, such as the Earth, depending on the speed it is traveling with respect to the body. For instance asteroid 2012 DA14 was traveling at 18,641 mph, about 8.3 km/s on closest approach. At the distance it passed the Earth at 17,000 miles this is greater than escape velocity. But it's less than escape velocity at the Earth's surface. So a fragment that happened to be closer in to us on that closest approach could have been captured.


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Just because something has a low probability of happening does not mean it cannot happen.

Your proposed explanation is incorrect on pretty much every point you make. In short, nothing can produce the required delta-v at the last minute in order to explain the different orbits of the two objects and still preserve the objects intact.

Outgassing or loosely bound asteroid torn by gravity would only produce small change of velocity, but an impact with another body would completely destroy both bodies - remember what happened the last time two satellites collided...



But... since you seem to have problems with low odds, let me play a mind game on you:
What are the chances that you were born and turned out to be exactly the person you are today? Well, pretty low.
Your parents had to meet to make you. Both of them had parents that had to meet to make them and so on and on and on... and you're probably aware of the countless possibilities of that DNA can be, given two parents :p
 

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It always struck me to be the other way around in switzerland :lol:

BTW, is the military service why so many swiss own weapons?

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Imagine a 500 kT explosion at a steeper angle much closer to the surface. An reentry angle of 50-60° would have been possible with a very high probability, just like the impactor hitting Moscow.

The air burst would be at much lower altitude, around 8-12 km. Many larger fragments will still reach the surface and create a crater field.

Ouch. Thank goodness the Russians never tried to implement Dead hand.

What does a direct trajectory (straight down into the earth) do to the damage potential of the impactor?
 

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What does a direct trajectory (straight down into the earth) do to the damage potential of the impactor?

It basically reduces the amount of energy that can be absorbed by the atmosphere via friction and pressure waves. The atmosphere is only ~100 km thick from top to bottom. Coming in at a tangent it might have to pass through many hundreds of km of air.

A direct trajectory means a greater likelihood that the impactor will actually hit the surface and will hit with a significant fraction of its mass and energy remaining.

Here's what a 500 kiloton explosion looks like (Ivy King shot, largest fission bomb, 1952) which might give an upper limit example of what could have happened last week:

749px-Ivy_King_Blast.jpg

 
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