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Okay, here is my problem. i want to put a space station in orbit aurount earth in an orbit such that it can be used as a hub for lunar and interplanitery travel to and from earth. the only problem is that the space station's longitude of acending node and the ecliptic plane's longitude of acenting node do not stay the same over the course of about a year. is this a problem with orbiter's orbit propigation system?

Is there an orbit that lends its self particulary well to interplanitery travel?
 
I think it may have to do with nonspherical gravity sources. The forces of the sun and other planets causes the inclination to change.

Solution: Keep the station within a reasonable RInc with the Moon, (about 5-10) degrees and do off plane lunar transfers with TranX or IMFD, and perform regular alignment burns.
 
But i Will not have the freedom of leaving whenever i want if i want to be fuel effecent.

oh well, i can live with it.
 
Unfortunatly, in spaceflight there is often little freedom in scheduling flights.
It is either that, or you use fuel aligning in LEO.
 
There is no problem; Orbiter's orbit propogation system is working perfectly. There's simply no such thing as a LEO orbit that stays in-plane with the Moon. Sorry.
 
But i Will not have the freedom of leaving whenever i want if i want to be fuel effecent.

oh well, i can live with it.
The longest you would have to wait would be two weeks for an off-plane trajectory that is co-planar with your LEO orbit. That is very nearly as efficient as starting from a co-planar LEO.

There is no problem; Orbiter's orbit propogation system is working perfectly. There's simply no such thing as a LEO orbit that stays in-plane with the Moon. Sorry.
It can be achieved in Orbiter by turning non-spherical gravity sources off. This removes the precession of the LEO orbit's LAN. Orbiter does not model the precession of the Moon's LAN.
 
what you are experiencing is the phenomena called 'Nodal' Regression'. It is caused by the perturbative torque of the earth's equatorial bulge. In other words...

The Earth like many large bodies in the solar system are not perfectly sphere. The effect is that there is more mass around the equator than other parts of of the planet. What your station is doing like mine is gravity is grabbing it and dragging it a tiny bit causing its orbit to drift west if you launched into the direction of the Earth's spin. If you launched west, the drag would occur and cause the drift to occur to the east. Nodal regression is predictable, is based on two things. First your orbital inclination. The closer to a equatorial orbit, the less this variable will affect your regression. The second factor is altitude. The lower your altitude is the more drift your have, higher altitudes, will slow the drift.
The good news?
Of course I am going to give you good news.... The drift is like I said predictable so that means that after determining your drift in a 24h day, you can then go from there on how much time needs to pass before your station drifts back into the lunar plane by doing some simple math. For my station it is ~2.62 deg drift out of the lunar ground track per 24hour period.
There are 360 degrees in a full circle so by dividing 360 by 2.62 I get 137.40458015 blah blah blah... If I am launching from a ground base that is below latitude of 30 deg, I now know that I have a launch window about every 138 days if I want to use my station and not deal with a plane change. This is really your only option if you want to go for realism,
More Good News?
I love alternatives and I have a few for you.
1) If your not worried about virtual costs of your missions, the Energia HLLV is more than capable of launching a DGIV, XR1 or XR2 into LEO. The only fuel you have to worry about burning at that point is at seperation from the launch vehicle to round out your orbit. If you never used the Energia it ALMOST puts your payload into a circular orbit. The idea is that with a low perigee, you say no to spent orbital debris and drag burns it up in the atmosphere. I usually use this feature if I am going to be using an external tank connected to the docking port for going to Venus or Mars in a hurry. 20 tons of fuel from the Space Station Building Blocks fuel tanks are really a fuel source. I can launch the DGIV and the tank at the same time and dock with it in a few minutes and leave Earth behind.

2) Another option I use cause I love Dan's DGIV when I wanna get into orbit quick and use just the crafts engines is the Velcro Rockets. Sputnik created these really neat drop tanks for the DG, and they are compatable with the DGIV as well. They work with the XR1, but you need to change a setting in the cfg file that allows ground based VTOL pad refueling. It is the same option you would change to allow the scn editor to refuel the craft or FuelMFD for example. With the DGIV, you can launch off plane and still have enough fuel aboard for getting to the moon in 40 hours or less. There is also a SRB booster for the XR1 that states that 50% fuel saving for the vertical launches.

If your looking for another source of smart talk, Dr Martin himself has included a PDF speaking of it with those big fancy math symbol thingies in \Doc\Technotes\Gravity.pdf
 
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ah yes so it would be, sorry about that Dan :)

Edited the post to correct my mistake... at least I know someone read most of that super huge article
 
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