OHM Kourou-CSG

[OrbitHangar]

Kourou-CSG for Orbiter 2006 is the european space port in french Guyana, named CSG (Centre spatiale Guyanais - Guyana Space Center).near to the town Kourou. This base is French and the CNES (Center National d'Etude Spatiale - French space agency) is the owner. Nevertheless that's used by ESA and Arianespace for the rockets diamant, Europa, Ariane 1-2-3-4-5, and soon Vega and Soyouz. Launch Pad: (ELA = Ensemble de Lancement Ariane - Ariane Launch Complex) ELA1: Ariane 1-2-3 ELA2: Ariane 3-4 ELA3: Ariane 5 ELS: Soyuz 2.1 The Kourou-CSG project has started the 25 April 2006. Reacute;gularly, we will present you some pictures and informations about the developpment. This project is in beta yet. Update 1 (v2): 11th june 2006, add launch pad ELA1 for Ariane 1-2-3 Update2 (v3): 20th august 2006, add launch pad ELA2 for Ariane 4 Update3 (DLL): Brian jones built a DLL version which allow a automatic animation of arms and cables of all pads when start engines. Strongly advise. Update4 (v4): 1sr may 07, add ELS for Soyuz

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[Mustard]

Addon uploaded without authorization of the authors. Thanks to remove it, please.

We create a specific website for our creations, thank to visit them.
http://orbiter.dansteph.com/
http://orbiter.mustard-fr.com/

 

[tblaxland]

Mustard, I don't know if you followed it, but the download link in those O-H pages actually redirects to your website. For example, for Kourou, it takes you to this page:
http://orbiter.mustard-fr.com/addons/kourou.php

 

[Mustard]

Mustard, I don't know if you followed it, but the download link in those O-H pages actually redirects to your website. For example, for Kourou, it takes you to this page:
http://orbiter.mustard-fr.com/addons/kourou.php

Ok, i didn't see that.
Nevertheless it's not in according with my policy.
My website group together all the creations of the french community. The reason it's simple, i want that when a person arrive on my website, on the addon's board (http://orbiter.mustard-fr.com/addons/addons.html) to see the news addons, he can also see all the others addons of the community. It's a way to show the totality of ours creations, the newest and the oldest.
If OH go only on a specific addon, the visitor can't see the board with all the addons. He can't also see the others pages "Project", "tutorials", etc.
And what about if a addon is updating ?

Nevertheless If the links are present it's not a big problem, I think that he acted with good intentions but i think that it should have been best to ask us the permission.
I like OH, it's a great initiative but it must respect the rules of diffusion.

 

[garyw]

The idea was that all addons can be accessed from one portal otherwise it's confusing for new people searching several websites for a single add on.

As far as I'm aware no one needs permission to provide a link to an existing add on otherwise links posted on here in response to such requests would also have to be removed.

 

[Urwumpe]

Well, mustard has the right to refuse direct deep linking of the add-on, but that is not more than a email to Vash and maybe next time a notice on the homepage, that links should go to "http://...".

Webdesign-skilled people make an automatic redirect to the right starting homepage if the referrer is not correct.

 

[Mustard]

And what about the updates ? When a addon is update on my page, how a person can know this by OH ?

For the links, I'm ok if OH links each of ours addons to the homepage of the website which hosts the addon, but i don't want a link directly to a specific page of one addon.

 

[garyw]

The links can be changed. Note that there is a link for "authors website" which takes you there anyway.

 

[Urwumpe]

The standard solution in the www is like that: if the last homepage visited is not from this domain, go to the correct starting homepage.

 

[Mustard]

The links can be changed. Note that there is a link for "authors website" which takes you there anyway.

I'm afraid that a great part of visitors will just use the download links from OH, not the "author's website" 's link, and abandon the homepage access from their favorite menu.


Imo, this system is a visitors killer of the websites. All the others pages or rubrics could be victims of this.
sorry but i'm not favourable of this, even if that come from a good intention.

 

[Brad]

I agree. As an add-on author I would want to be asked permission. The impression is that the file is directly on Orbithangar which it isn't. Second of all, the link could change without notice.

 

[4throck]

I think that for add-ons not hosted on OH only the "author's website" should be active. If that's not possible, a simple .txt file with the url could be used in place of the actual download on OH.

 

[fort]

Imo, this system is a visitors killer of the websites

This was in my mind since the beginning of the recent change on OH. And i think that that must be taken in consideration.

And what about the updates ? When a addon is updated on my page, how a person can know this through OH ?

But over all reasons, that one is really important and Mustard is right on that point.

fort.

 

[Hielor]

This was in my mind since the beginning of the recent change on OH. And i think that that must be taken in consideration.

How is it a "visitors killer"? If anything, this will increase the number of visitors that the website gets and increase the exposure that the addons have to the community. Several people (myself included) don't visit the other sites very often because they don't get new addons very often.

Having six different places where addons are hosted is ridiculous and a pain for people who just want to get addons. Having OH index all of them makes it easy for people who are looking for the addon to find them, which actually increases the exposure of your website.

Unless, of course, people who only upload their addons to places other than OrbitHangar are trying to prevent people from finding them, which I don't really understand but I guess that's okay too.

But over all reasons, that one is really important and Mustard is right on that point.

The "download" link points to the web page where you can get the addon. If it's updated, that page will change.

I think that for add-ons not hosted on OH only the "author's website" should be active. If that's not possible, a simple .txt file with the url could be used in place of the actual download on OH.

THe "download" link points to the web page where you can get the addon.

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Also, each individual addon has a link back to the main addons page (btw, that link should be "Back to addons page" not "Back to addon's page"), so if someone wants to see the other addons hosted there they easily can.

 

[Mustard]

Hielor, I'm fear that the visitors will never visit my website regularly (and the others menus) but just keep a eye on OH "Newest uploads". It's the reason because I said that it's a visitors killer for a website. On my website i don't have just the addons, but also Tutorials (particularly on the Fr version), Projects, links, etc. When a new addon is release, every visitors can see all the addons, and perhaps to discover someone. But with OH and the direct link to one addon, this will disapear. It's my fear.

Nevertheless i'm in private discussion with admin of OH and the Francophone's auhtors of my website. So i stop the debate here.

 

[fort]

Hello Hielor,

How is it a "visitors killer"? If anything, this will increase the number of visitors that the website gets and increase the exposure that the addons have to the community. Several people (myself included) don't visit the other sites very often because they don't get new addons very often.Having six different places where addons are hosted is ridiculous and a pain for people who just want to get addons. Having OH index all of them makes it easy for people who are looking for the addon to find them, which actually increases the exposure of your website.

Right.

If it's updated, that page will change.

That the point. I know that Vash was searching some days ago for people for following the addons embedded on author's websites. Some addons in the french group and maybe more than in others are in relation from one to one ( sorry for my bad english ). They can be updated at different time and one dependant of another one updated some days, weeks before...

In many cases, i think that a link to the main page could be preferable, better. All the addons are under your eyes and the search could be easier.

 

[SlyCoopersButt]

I'll have to say good points. O.H. could just feature the home pages of the authors instead. As well as being much more simple for everyone.

 

[Tex]

Mustard,

I respect your point of view on this subject, however I'm wondering why don't you put this navigation menu...

...on ALL pages like it is on the addon index page? Having navigation links on all pages is really a good idea anyway. The problem with pointing people to the addon index page is that the user would then have to locate the same addon they already located on orbit hangar which will surely cause confusion, especially with new folks. Indexing all addons in one place is probably the single most important thing that needed to be done for the Orbiter community in quite some time.

 

[Urwumpe]

Indexing all addons in one place is probably the single most important thing that needed to be done for the Orbiter community in quite some time.

Right next behind collision detection :rofl:

 

[Brad]

Indexing all addons in one place is probably the single most important thing that needed to be done for the Orbiter community in quite some time.

Okay...so who decides which addons are indexed?