New Release Interplanetary Modular Spacecraft RC9

jedidia · May 22, 2014

Yeah, there's just nothing I can do about that. the problem happens before IMS even gets involved with the modules.

If those modules would produce the behavior when they're integrated, I could fix it. However, it happens when they're just in the scenario, a time where the IMS code isn't even aware of their existence yet. They run on pure Orbiter default vessel power at that time.

elocoreloco · Jun 14, 2014

Mandella said:
I've found an apparent fix for my problem -- just run orbiter in compatibility mode (XP Service pack 3). It loads fine then, although I haven't had a chance to play with it much to see if there are any other save/load issues.

i've got exactly the same issue and fixed it the same way as Mandella did. Just to let you know. I'm using 7 64 bit

spaceflight · Jul 9, 2014

for a two way trip to the destination then the vast distance back home what is the known top speed for this vehicle

jedidia · Jul 9, 2014

Sorry, I completely fail to understand the question... There's no such thing as "top speed" in space, there's only "maximum change in velocity", aka Delta-V. In IMS, this of course depends entirely on what you build. I suggest reading this introduction into rocket design in general and designing vessels with IMS specificaly.

romanasul · Nov 1, 2014

This is weird, I also have Windows 7 X64 and if I run in XP SP3 compatibility everything works fine.

Nikogori · Jul 24, 2015

I've been trying to build my first ship. However, none of my ship was able to fire its engine so far.
I think I am missing something important or failed to install the mod. Any help would be appreciated.

Code:

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  Date MJD 55269.6815854376
  Help Default\Checklists\Quickstart,Quickstart
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jedidia · Jul 24, 2015

However, none of my ship was able to fire its engine so far.

You have to assign them to a thruster group in the engines menu (you can assign different engines to different groups and controll the groups individually in the thrust MFC). While you can't group RCS, you do have to turn them on in the RCS menu.

Nikogori · Jul 24, 2015

jedidia said:
You have to assign them to a thruster group in the engines menu (you can assign different engines to different groups and controll the groups individually in the thrust MFC). While you can't group RCS, you do have to turn them on in the RCS menu.

Thank you. At last I was able to move my ship!

pattersoncr · Jul 24, 2015

@Jedidia,
Do you have any advice for getting SC3 based vessels to interface with IMS vessels? I.e. Transfer propellant, consumables, and crew to/from an IMS vessel to a SC3 based vessel?

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jedidia · Jul 24, 2015

Do you have any advice for getting SC3 based vessels to interface with IMS vessels? I.e. Transfer propellant, consumables, and crew to/from an IMS vessel to a SC3 based vessel?

Crew works without problems through the EVA MFC if the SC3 vessel supports it (which would either require UMMUFA or GenericVessel, native SC3 doesn't support UMMU).

Everything else is only possible if the other vessel happens to have a propellant resource defined for it, AND if the vessel happens to have a config file (again, problem with SC3). See first post all the way at the bottom.

pattersoncr · Jul 24, 2015

GenericVessel allows a .cfg file to call an .ini file to create a SC3 vessel. It sounds like appropriate entries in the .cfg file should make it work.

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jedidia · Jul 24, 2015

GenericVessel allows a .cfg file to call an .ini file to create a SC3 vessel. It sounds like appropriate entries in the .cfg file should make it work.

Oh, absolutely. As soon as you have a .cfg, you can make any vessel share its propellant with IMS (and vise versa). Consumables are another matter of course, as IMS is about the only thing around that handles Consumables as propellant resources (and I really only did that so consumables would be accessible through the scenario editor).

pattersoncr · Jul 26, 2015

I wasn't able to get either UMMU transfer or propellant transfer to work. I don't know whether its an IMS problem or a GenericVessel problem since I'm not entirely sure how GV is supposed to work.

Dantassii · Jul 26, 2015

pattersoncr said:
I wasn't able to get either UMMU transfer or propellant transfer to work. I don't know whether its an IMS problem or a GenericVessel problem since I'm not entirely sure how GV is supposed to work.

The IMS built in propellant handling stuff only works with IMS ships I think. If you want transfer propellant between IMS ships and non-IMS ships you probably have to use one of the Refueler add-ons.

As for UMMU transfers, I think you have to go EVA from the IMS ship and then un-EVA into the non-IMS ship, or the other way around. Once again, I don't think you can transfer people directly between IMS ships and non-IMS ships.

I could be wrong as I haven't done any actual fuel transfers between my Lunar Station and the XR5s I'm using to build it. 245 XR5 missions and holding....

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pattersoncr · Jul 26, 2015

Propellant transfers with XR5 work fine once you add the IMS_RES line to the config file. Direct UMMU transfers also work fine for XR5 (and presumably anything else with native UMMU support).

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jedidia · Jul 26, 2015

Since transfers with other vessels work, I think we can exclude the possibility that you configured it wrong. I'll have to take a look at what might go wrong. What particular vessel did you try with?

boogabooga · Jul 26, 2015

boogabooga said:
IMS is a great concept and I have tried it. Trouble is, I don't have much time these days to put together my own things.

What would people think of starting a repository to share their successful designs?

Okay, Stack Editor has made IMS WAY more practical. I have a design that I could contribute.

Should I start a new IMS design discussion and finished spacecraft repository thread, or keep it all here?

pattersoncr · Jul 26, 2015

I'm trying to use Greg Burch's LSTS Gilgamesh Transport. and GenericVessel version 140205

I added this config file:

Code:

; === Configuration file for vessel Gilgamesh class ===

ClassName = LSTS2011
Module = GenericVessel
IMS_RES = LHF:0
; TODO: ImageBmp = Images\Vessels\???.bmp

; ======================================
; IMS specific parameters
; ======================================
IMS_RES = LHF:0

[UMMU]
MAXSEATS=3
AIRLOCK_POSITION=(0,0,0)
AIRLOCK_SIZE=(10,10,10)
EVA_POS=(0,0,0)
EVA_ROT=(0,0,3.14)

here is an example scenario file:

Code:

BEGIN_DESC

END_DESC

BEGIN_ENVIRONMENT
  System Sol
  Date MJD 79000.7799834846
END_ENVIRONMENT

BEGIN_FOCUS
  Ship IMS_Vessel
END_FOCUS

BEGIN_CAMERA
  TARGET IMS_Vessel
  MODE Cockpit
  FOV 40.00
END_CAMERA

BEGIN_HUD
  TYPE Surface
END_HUD

BEGIN_PANEL
END_PANEL

BEGIN_SHIPS
LSTS:LSTS2011
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS 5831352.10 -248.29 3884248.71
  RVEL -4186.088 -1.287 6274.639
  AROT -180.00 1.82 180.00
  AFCMODE 7
  PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000
  DOCKINFO 0:1,IMS_Vessel
  NAVFREQ 0 0 0 0
  XPDR 0
  RCS 1
  CTRL_SURFACE 1
  CONFIGURATION 1
  CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
  SEQ 0 2 1.0000
  SEQ 1 -2 0.0000
  SEQ 2 -2 0.0000
  SEQ 3 -2 0.0000
  SEQ 4 -2 0.0000
  SEQ 5 -2 0.0000
  SEQ 6 -2 0.0000
  SEQ 7 -2 0.0000
  SEQ 8 -2 0.0000
  SEQ 9 -2 0.0000
  SEQ 10 -2 0.0000
  SEQ 11 -2 0.0000
END
IMS_Vessel:IMS\Command_Modules\BM112_CONTROL_MODULE
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  RVEL -4186.088 -1.287 6274.639
  AROT 0.00 -1.82 -90.00
  AFCMODE 7
  DOCKINFO 1:0,LSTS
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  COMMAND 0 0
  MODULE Docking_Ports\Docking_Adapter_DG 0,0,6.026 0,0,1 1,0,0 0
  TDPOINT 0,0,0 0,0,0 0,0,0
  DELETEPOINT 1
  DELETEPORT 0
  DOCKPORT 0,0,6.956 0,0,1 1,0,0
  EMPTYMASS 9800.00
  MASSCENTER 0.000000 0.000000 0.184469
  PMI 8.20 8.20 2.45
  CONSUMABLES 0.0001 0 0 0.0001 0 0 0.0001 0 0
  TEMPERATURES -1:298.10:397.17
  HEATING -1
  THGROUPLEVELS 0 0 0 0 
  CREW 2 1
  UMMUCREW Capt-John_Doe-35-70-70
  ENERGY 395995299.21
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 1 0 6 0 0 10 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
  MFC 1 0 4 1 -1 1 -1
END
END_SHIPS

BEGIN_ExtMFD
END

The "Logistics" MFC says "no shared resources"
The dock/EVA MFC says "docked vessel doesn't support crew"

jedidia · Jul 26, 2015

Well, it would certainly be unnecessary to have the declaration in there twice, but I don't think it would mess it up. I will take a look at it, but it might be a few days until I get around to it.

Should I start a new IMS design discussion and finished spacecraft repository thread, or keep it all here?

That would be cool, actually.

Okay, Stack Editor has made IMS WAY more practical. I have a design that I could contribute.

That was really my major reason for contributing to it

glad it worked!

pattersoncr · Jul 26, 2015

jedidia said:
Well, it would certainly be unnecessary to have the declaration in there twice, but I don't think it would mess it up. I will take a look at it, but it might be a few days until I get around to it.

I tried it again without the extra IMS_RES line just to be sure, no luck.

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