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What will happen after the Corona epidemic?

  • The population of Asia will be reduced, accelerating the sustainable development.

    Votes: 14 30.4%
  • The major civilizations will collapse.

    Votes: 12 26.1%
  • The human race will end.

    Votes: 20 43.5%

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Scary stuff - especially for those who survived COVID-19.
 
3 McDonald's workers hurt after customer attack over coronavirus limits, Oklahoma police say

Three workers at an Oklahoma City McDonald's were injured Wednesday by gunfire and a scuffle that appeared to have started because the restaurant's dining area was closed for social distancing during the coronavirus pandemic, police said.

Two of three were injured by gunfire and the third was hurt in a scuffle, said Lt. Michelle Henderson of the Oklahoma City Police Department.

The victims, two females and a male — two of them 17 — were hospitalized and in non-life-threatening condition, she said. Two customers, a man and a woman, were in custody.

"They were asked to leave, and they refused and produced a gun," Henderson said. The dining area "was closed because of the virus."

Police were called to the South Oklahoma City location at 6:22 p.m., Henderson said.

Last week in Michigan, a security guard was fatally shot because he insisted a woman at a Flint Family Dollar store wear a face covering, police said.

Oklahoma never had formal stay-at-home orders, but nonessential businesses have been encouraged to observe social distancing.
 
The other day when McDonald's drive through reopened here, the line was several hundred meters long. In a town of about 30 000 people. Seems like everybody wants a Big Mac these days :lol:
 
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The lethality averages at 0.36% there. That is not too good, but not bad as well.

Still, 0.36% would mean 250,000 deaths in Germany this year until we reach a possible herd immunity, ten times more than a bad influenza season. We should better hope for a vaccine.


The 0.36% are actually the same level as a moderately severe influenza strain, falling below e.g. the Hongkong Flu (which has a mortality rate of 0.5%).

In order to get 10 times the number of dead than for influenza with the same mortality rate as influenza, you need to assume that 10 times the number of people will be infected. Indeed, doing your numbers with a mortality of 0.36%, to get 250.000 dead you have to assume that about 70 million Germans (or 83% of the population) will be infected.

Now, even the naive herd immunity criterion using R0 doesn't end you that high - that gives you about 67% of the population.

But perhaps more telling, the same Heinsberg study also found that the risk of someone living in the same household than an infected person to get the virus himself never goes above 40% (the study claims a dependence on the number of household members with it going down when more people share the same household), in other studies that number came out more around 20%. All of that is very much in line what has been seen on the USS Theodore Roosevelt (with 4500 people living together in closed quarters).

So in order to get to the estimate of 83% of the population becoming infected, you need to assume that chance encounters and conversations on the street are vastly more contagious than actually living together with an infected person (i.e. basically being exposed to the virus all the time).

Once you assume that the total percentage of infections cannot exceed what you see as spread inside a household, you're down to an estimate that no more than ~30% of the population will be infected in the end. If you assume that chance encounters are actually less dangerous than sharing a household, you're getting the feeling that the 15% which have happened in Heinsberg is probably more or less all that will happen there.

You have to introduce quite some heavy assumptions to get to a number of 250.000 dead in Germany by now...

Maybe also interesting: Only one fifth of all infected people had no symptoms at all (including loss of smell and taste as symptom there) - the older number, that about 80% of the cases might be asymptomatic, does not hold water there.

At this time of the year, perhaps a good question is how many of the 85% who did not contract the virus did still have symptoms like cough, sore throat or even a little fever. Heinsberg happened during the Influenza season, and even the common cold causes things like cough.
 
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You have to introduce quite some heavy assumptions to get to a number of 250.000 dead in Germany by now...


Actually not that much - it is like if we would have had a full epidemic of the Hong Kong Flu. We had "mere" 60000 deaths that year, despite some immunity against this virus still being around in the population because of the Asian Flu before.
 
The federal reserve will collapse, according to this liberty report clip.
I dunno, i've been hearing about that for a couple of decades now, and loudly for the last decade. The thing is still there.
 
I think China's Population will certainly be reduced. The US Media outlets are saying that Joseph Biden is going to be the next President! Wasn't it NBC news that said the polling for Hillary had gone up 50%. No path for victory for Mr Trump! :thumbup: I believe the Pandemic was done by China on purpose!

Which country came up the "One Child Law"???? China!

Thanks!

Christopher Tarana
 
Actually not that much - it is like if we would have had a full epidemic of the Hong Kong Flu. We had "mere" 60000 deaths that year, despite some immunity against this virus still being around in the population because of the Asian Flu before.

Well, that's the point here - 60.000 isn't 250.000, it is quite a bit less precisely because not everyone was infected, and the Heinsberg study is one (of several) examples that argue that also this time not everyone will be infected either.

Why did the Heinsberg outbreak stop? Desperate hard quarantine measures? No - it was basically all over on its own by the time they realized and sent people into home quarantine for the last three or four days after the superspreding event.

So yeah, I think putting a number of potentially 60.000 deaths in Germany out is supported by the numbers of the study, 250.000 however seems difficult to argue to me.
 
I've been watching this clip.

The federal reserve will collapse, according to this liberty report clip.


You know, the same people complain about the federal reserve printing money as they like. ;)



The federal reserve can only collapse organisationally - if an epidemic makes too many employees unable to work. But they can never get bankrupt. For that, the USA would have to collapse first.
 
Why did the Heinsberg outbreak stop? Desperate hard quarantine measures? No - it was basically all over on its own by the time they realized and sent people into home quarantine for the last three or four days after the superspreding event.


The measures in Heinsberg had been way more strict than what had been applied on the whole of Germany. 1000 inhabitants of Gangelt (About 10% of the population) had been quickly completely isolated at home for about 2 weeks based on the infection protection law, the public life shut down only a few days later.



Also, they had implemented most German wide measures much earlier. Heinsberg had most of those active in the beginning of March, not in April, there had been mere days between the first tests and the shutdown.
 

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BTW, in relation to the video posted earlier: This is a peer-reviewed paper of the autopsies done in Hamburg, one participant (Püschel) got some German wide fame.

All patients included in the study (12) had deep venous trombosis, four died of massive pulmonary embolism.

https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/...sm-patients-covid-19-prospective-cohort-study

Also interesting, how the other organs had been affected. Many of the people included in the study had CHD, a congenital heart defect, which is usually undetected until death, but affects only about 5% of the population. Arteriosclerosis was also common, it is a very widespread condition.

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And another famous death of the pandemic: Roy Horn of Siegfried and Roy has died of complications caused by COVID-19, after a lengthy struggle with his health after the tiger attack.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/08/obituaries/roy-horn-dead-covid.html
 
1000 inhabitants of Gangelt (About 10% of the population) had been quickly completely isolated at home for about 2 weeks based on the infection protection law, the public life shut down only a few days later.

Not from what I had read - according to a long Zeit dossier on Heinsberg the two weeks home isolation for most turned out to be a 'Okay, you're supposed to home-quarantine for two weeks after the event - the event is ten days in the past, so if you could please stay home the next four days?' type of thing.

So definitely no 'quickly' and only formally '2 weeks'.
 
You know, the same people complain about the federal reserve printing money as they like. ;)



The federal reserve can only collapse organisationally - if an epidemic makes too many employees unable to work. But they can never get bankrupt. For that, the USA would have to collapse first.

Well, arguably, printing money to pay off debt is just a sneaky way of defaulting, and when enough people wise up to what you're doing, the result is the same: they hike up the interest rate when they offer you credit, and eventually, if it gets bad enough, they stop lending to you because they can't get any ROI.

So the Federal Reserve may not ever officially go bankrupt, but eventually US federal bonds will be junk-grade.

Now, that's not to say that, in my opinion, we shouldn't be spending money on COVID relief, just that we should have been spending responsibly before so that we'd be in a halfways solvent state going in to such an emergency.
 
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