News Contact lost with 777-200ER of Malaysia Airlines

I was talking of the plane being 150m ASL, and the fact that FDRs cannot be separated from that far with a plane being so low in altitude, if it ever broke in mid-air.

Nobody is currently talking anymore about the aircraft flying under the radar in 500 ft AGL. The reports of a plane flying at low altitude over one atoll in the indian ocean had been wrong. There are even indications for the plane reaching 45,000 ft MSL, but these measurements are very indirectly and likely unreliable.
 
Now that the search area has been narrowed, the bluefin unmanned submerisble is preparing prepared to search for wreckage. This is how far down it has to go:

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Now that the search area has been narrowed, the bluefin unmanned submerisble is preparing prepared to search for wreckage. This is how far down it has to go:

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Ah, I can see the depth of the ocean can neatly be expressed as 6.5 Eiffel towers :P
 
Tony Abbott has all but confirmed that they have the location (In general) of the FDR and/or the CVR
 
Tony Abbott has all but confirmed that they have the location (In general) of the FDR and/or the CVR



I think he only said that to get out of the country with his head in one piece.





HEY EVERYBODY!!! LOOK IN THE OCEAN@!!!








Nevermind the Russian's are stealing a country.
 
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It's not stealing, they have a reconquest Casus Belli.
 
The last detected signal was not by a black box.

(Maybe it was a dolphin imitating this cool ring tone)
 
Ah, I can see the depth of the ocean can neatly be expressed as 6.5 Eiffel towers :P

Or, more appropriately for here, the length of the runway at the Shuttle Landing Facility.

When they referred to the "unmanned bluefin submersible", I was thinking more in lines of a Bluefin Tuna with a Go-Pro attached.


Edit: Woohoo! My thirteenth post. Very appropriate for me.
 
Investigators reveal MH370 co-pilot tried to make a call from his mobile phone

All unverified but it seems that he weird gets weirder

The co-pilot of missing flight MH370 made a call from his mobile phone while the aircraft flew low over the west coast of Malaysia, it was revealed today as the U.S. denied reports the plane landed at a military base on the remote island of Diego Garcia.
Investigators have learned that the call was made from Fariq Abdul Hamid's mobile phone as the Boeing 777 flew low near the island of Penang, on the north of Malaysia's west coast.
The New Straits Times reported the aircraft, with 239 people on board, was flying low enough for the nearest telecommunications tower to pick up Fariq's signal.
The call ended abrupty, however it has been learned that contact was definitely established with a telecommunications sub-station in Penang state.
The paper said it had been unable to ascertain who Fariq was trying to call 'as sources chose not to divulge details of the investigation.'
It added: 'The telco's (telecommunications company's) tower established the call that he was trying to make.
'On why the call was cut off, it was likely because the aircraft was fast moving away from the tower and had not come under the coverage of the next one,' the paper said, quoting 'sources'.
The paper added that it had also been established that Fariq's last communication was through the WhatsApp Messenger app and that it had been made at about 11.30pm on March 7, shortly before he boarded the aircraft for the six-hour flight to Beijing.

The New Straits Times said it had been told checks on Fariq's phone history showed that the last person he spoke to was 'one of his regular contacts - 'a number that frequently appears on his outgoing phone logs'.
That last call, said the paper, was made no more than two hours before the flight took off 12.41am on March 8 from Kuala Lumpur International Airport.

The paper said that a reattachment does not necessarily meant that a call was made. It could also be the result of the phone being switched on again.
The revelation came as the U.S. denied claims the missing flight had landed at its military base on the remote island of Diego Garcia.
There had been rumours that the jetliner could have headed for the small coral atoll in the Indian Ocean after it veered off course while travelling between Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and Beijing, China on March 8.
However, a spokesman for the U.S. embassy in the Malaysian capital denied the allegation.
According to Malaysia's Star newspaper, the spokesman said: 'There was no indication that MH370 flew anywhere near the Maldives or Diego Garcia.
'MH370 did not land in Diego Garcia.'
Diego Garcia is about 3,500km from Malaysia.
Meanwhile experts said today that it was possible for a mobile phone to be connected to a telecommunications tower at an altitude of 7,000 feet - which is low for a large jet like the Boeing 777 unless it was flying at high speed to maintain height.
The New Straits Times said that Fariq's cousin, Nursyafiqah Kamarudin, 18, had said recently that the 28-year-old co-pilot was very close to his mother.

'If Fariq could make one call before the plane disappeared, it would have been to her,' said the cousin.

Police chief Khalid Abu Bakar said earlier in the week that investigators had obtained 'some clues' as to what might have happened, based on the statements from 176 people who had been interviewed.
The crew, he said, were the main subjects of the investigation, a probe which has focused on four possible areas - hijack, sabotage, and personal and psychological problems among the crew or passengers.
The dramatic revelation that Fariq tried to make a phone call after regular communication from the aircraft to ground control was lost opens up a new field of speculation - and more questions about the mysterious disappearance of the jet.
If Fariq was able to make a call, why was there no attempt by the pilot, Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53, to also make a mobile phone call?
Did Fariq know he was going to die and had, as his cousin had suggested, tried to phone his mother to say goodbye?
An email received by the Mail recently suggested that the aircraft had been hijacked and that the pilots had been ordered to fly around Malaysian and Indonesian air space while negotiations were carried out.
Those negotiations, said the email - from a source in Malaysia which could not be verified - demanded the dropping of a jail sentence imposed on Malaysian opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim.
The hijackers, said the email, gave government negotiators five hours to meet their demands or the plane would be destroyed.
Last night Malaysia's Acting Transport Minister said he could not comment on the report in the New Straits Times adding that 'if it is true, we would have known about it much earlier.'
Mr Hishammuddin Hussein made his remarks to the Malaysian news agency, Bernama, pointing out that he had adopted the approach not to confirm anything without any corroboration or verification from the time when the aircraft was reported missing.
The Star newspaper, which is in opposition to the New Straits Times, interpreted Mr Hishammuddin's remarks as refuting the report about co-pilot Fariq attempting to make a mobile phone call.

The Minister, who is also Defence Minister, told the news agency that he hoped the public understood what he was going through because such 'baseless information' not only affected operations but also the families of the passengers and the crew of the aircraft.
Mr Hishamuddin made his comments after performing prayers at a mosque in Kluang, Malaysia, earlier in the day.
Yesterday, it looked like the black box may had been located deep in the Indian Ocean.
Perth radio station 6PR tweeted the discovery, citing aviation expert Geoffrey Thomas, who revealed the flight recorder had finally been found more than a month after the Boeing 777 went missing.

Australia's Prime Minister Tony Abbott, who is in China, said searchers are 'very confident' the signals detected were from the black box were from MH370.
'I really don't want to give any more information than that at this stage...as a sign of respect to the Chinese people and their families.'
Speaking from Shanghai, China, Mr Abbott added that today's discovery was a huge step in solving the mystery - and even claimed that officials believe they can now pinpoint the position of the missing black box flight recorder to ‘within some kilometres’.
'This is probably the most difficult search in human history,' he said. '
Among tragedy, however, there is hope. We are confident we know the position of the black box to the nearest kilometre.
'But confidence in the position is not the same as recovering the wreckage from more than 4.5km beneath the sea and finally determining all that happened on that flight.'
The fact that Mr Abbott has reportedly used the word 'confident' suggests that searchers are finally convinced that weeks of scouring the Indian Ocean might now have resulted in the discovery of the missing Boeing 777.
Mr Abbott's announcement came after a fifth ping was detected around 1,500 miles north west of Perth, in western Australia.
The signal was captured on Thursday by a Royal Australian Air Force Orion P-3 aircraft, which had been dropping sonar buoys into the water at the time.
Yesterday's breakthrough came as black box manufacturer Dukane Seacom said batteries powering the beacon could last for 40 days rather than the 30 previously thought.

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ircraft-lost-normal-communication-ground.html
 
"Yesterday's breakthrough came as black box manufacturer Dukane Seacom said batteries powering the beacon could last for 40 days rather than the 30 previously thought."


Well isn't that convenient?


Please, never mind that man behind the curtain. Just keep staring into the ocean like good lemmings.
 
The dramatic revelation that Fariq tried to make a phone call after regular communication from the aircraft to ground control was lost opens up a new field of speculation - and more questions about the mysterious disappearance of the jet.

Might this support the pilot suicide theory? Perhaps he was calling someone to say his final goodbye...?


(or something like that)
 
Perhaps he was terrified and phoning someone to say goodbye? Perhaps he didn't even use the phone? Someone else might have.

And so on. Four bigger questions are here though:

1. Did this really happen? The Malaysians have not been forthcoming and they have not conducted the investigation particularly well.
2. If it did happen, why is the information being released now?
3. If it did happen, who was he attempting to call?
4. What else happened that we don't yet know about?
 
Was it really a phone call, or just a mobile phone connection to a base station? Also flying low enough to get received by a base station is not that special - in regions of low population density, the base stations have up to 30 km range.
 
The first search with the AUV had been aborted after a few hours, because the AUV exceeded its depth limit of 4500 meters during the search and automatically surfaced to prevent damage.

An AUV isn't really fast, a current of cold water flowing downwards into a trench can exceed its normal manoeuvring speeds easily and pull it into greater depths.
 
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The first search with the AUV had been aborted after a few hours, because the AUV exceeded its depth limit of 4500 meters during the search and automatically surfaced to prevent damage.

An AUV isn't really fast, a current of cold water flowing downwards into a trench can exceed its normal manoeuvring speeds easily and pull it into greater depths.

This is now on the BBC -> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27030741

It seems that they did get a good six hours worth of data though so maybe there will be something on that.

Also worth noting that it seems that the black box batteries have given out as no signals have been picked up since April 8th.
 
Hm, are there no AUVs rated for greater depths?
Or they just didn't get one yet?
 
Hm, are there no AUVs rated for greater depths?
Or they just didn't get one yet?

They are underway, but some have also not yet been requested. The German Abyss AUV is for example ready for deployment. It helped during the search for AF-447, and can dive up to 6000 meters deep.

http://www.geomar.de/en/centre/central-facilities/tlz/auv-abyss/bildergalerie-links/af447-search/

They wait for confirmation of the wrecks location, before sending it out, because it is pretty expensive to bring the AUV and its control gear to Australia.
 
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