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Not sure if this has any direct impact on the CST-100 workforce, but it's another blow to Boeing:
Updates Boeing's CST-100 Starliner
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More than 6% per year. Boeing hasn't really kept up with wages and benefits for its employees for a long time, so that 6% per year isn't as great as it sounds. The workers have significant bargaining power now and they are exercising it.
Generally no. And the striking workers generally cannot collect unemployment in most states if the workers initiated the strike.
Unions have been busted pretty hard over the last 50 years, and we're just getting back to the point now where more and more Americans are realizing why they are very necessary. These strikes are not easy for the workers to pull off - it requires a lot of courage and sacrifice on their part in the hope that a better deal can be reached.
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Well 25% in 4 years is just a bit less than 6% per year. But if they aren't paid well now, thats of course not that impressive to catch up.
Yikes. Here the unions also got attacked by the employers and politicians, including the social democrats, that had once close relations to the unions. But our unions are way more powerful than in the USA, like 2/3rd of our exports come from unionized factories. I joined the union last year, after they ignored software developers for too long. Hell, when I started my first job, the union there tried hard to keep us away, since we suddenly broke the decade long balance of power between two union fractions.
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Boeing's considering whether or not Starliner should be cancelled due to the losses it made to the company (now currently at $1.85 billion)
spacenews.com
Boeing losses on Starliner increase by $250 million
Boeing is taking another charge against earnings of $250 million on its CST-100 Starliner commercial crew program.
spacenews.com
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As was mentioned in the article, they legally can't walk away from some of the contracts. If they mean to stay in the aerospace business they really can't afford to abandon Starliner.Boeing's considering whether or not Starliner should be cancelled due to the losses it made to the company (now currently at $1.85 billion)
Boeing losses on Starliner increase by $250 million
Boeing is taking another charge against earnings of $250 million on its CST-100 Starliner commercial crew program.
All they need to do is magically become an efficient and effective aerospace engineering firm after bean counters spent decades gutting what made them efficient and effective. They should be able to turn this around easily!
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I don't know about Boeing, but I've only gotten a 3% raise per year for many years now. Sine 2020 the rate of inflation is 20.8%, and my "raise" has been 12%, for an overall loss of 8%. So I can understand their frustrations. I (however) and forbidden to strike, I can quit... but not strike.
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I am pegged now at 8% per year since I am far below union pay, but in the past, it was closer to 3% per year, only in the great beginnings, I had a few years with 12-15% rises, but than came even some years without a rise.
And I can go on strike now with inpunity - the union would compensate me, if the union members decide to strike. Currently there are some documentaries and memorials about the big strike in 1956, when workers in northern Germany striked for months for getting paid while they are ill. This existed for white collar workers, but not for us blue collar guys until that strike.
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I got 18% in 2022, 6% last year and 12% this year. The raise this year is due to strike, but I did not participate. The raise in 2022 was because I changed my employer "automatically" due to the ending of a contract (in Germany the railway system is a mess). The raise last year was due to changing my employer on my own (not including savings of money and time, due to a sginificantly shorter trip to work).
As a train driver I could raise my sallary by 40% to 80%, if I would change from passenger service to rail cargo or become a "contract train driver" (if that's the correct term in English
). But I would hate it. Money isn't everything. There is a lot of money everywhere. But you got only one body/health and only one life.
A raise of sallary is just one side of the medal. The state is greedy. And employers are stingy. Since I stopped laying money just aside, I realized the importance of investment and personal responsibility. I got 22% profit from my investment within the last 7 months. It includes investment for my holidays/travels next year. My investment for my own little pension even raised by 60%.
But spare time is also very important. I'll be on holiday five times next year; more than two months all in all. Life time is the most important luxury we have, right after health imho. Everything else is just stuff.
As a train driver I could raise my sallary by 40% to 80%, if I would change from passenger service to rail cargo or become a "contract train driver" (if that's the correct term in English
). But I would hate it. Money isn't everything. There is a lot of money everywhere. But you got only one body/health and only one life.A raise of sallary is just one side of the medal. The state is greedy. And employers are stingy. Since I stopped laying money just aside, I realized the importance of investment and personal responsibility. I got 22% profit from my investment within the last 7 months. It includes investment for my holidays/travels next year. My investment for my own little pension even raised by 60%.
But spare time is also very important. I'll be on holiday five times next year; more than two months all in all. Life time is the most important luxury we have, right after health imho. Everything else is just stuff.
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I changed my job to move in to management. Got a massive pay bump and spend my time hating every minute of it. I'm going change jobs again and look to go back to what I was doing.As a train driver I could raise my sallary by 40% to 80%, if I would change from passenger service to rail cargo or become a "contract train driver" (if that's the correct term in English
Money is nice but sanity is better.
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Very good read:
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Oh, he just serves it raw... 
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Here is the report
www.nasa.gov
(it seems to have a many black rectangles as the Epstein files)
NASA Releases Report on Starliner Crewed Flight Test Investigation - NASA
At a news conference on Thursday, NASA released a report of findings from the Program Investigation Team examining the Boeing CST-100
www.nasa.gov
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They'll never going to fly a crewed Starliner to the ISS at this rate. There's only 4-5 years left before the station is deorbited
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Sounds more like they'll never fly Boeing again for the next years. Great work, MDD managers.
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isscaman said there is a need for multiple launch systems for american access to space - in other words, NASA isn't giving them anymore money and is waiting on boeing to walk away as Boeing are no longer interested in developing starliner and no one else wants to take it on.
I assume for ITAR as lots of talk about thrusters.Here is the report
(it seems to have a many black rectangles as the Epstein files)NASA Releases Report on Starliner Crewed Flight Test Investigation - NASA
At a news conference on Thursday, NASA released a report of findings from the Program Investigation Team examining the Boeing CST-100
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Who wants those thrusters?
