Updates Artemis

[TheShuttleExperience]

If you wanted to do it the most economic way without wasting money for tasks without value, it could easily need 4 or 5 times the money....

Which tasks are considered to have no value?

 

[Urwumpe]

Which tasks are considered to have no value?

For example waiting for something to get finished. Have not enough hardware to test effectively. Or producing annual project reports for a slower project with only little progress.

 

[richfororbit]

I think it already does

Artemis 2 might lift off late next year, which would be three years after Artemis 1. Artemis 3 might lift off another year later, at the earliest, with the landing-part likely canceled for that mission. Any further mission is written in the stars...

The budget has less money, I haven't even checked this years budget, regardless, the next mission takes off when it does.

Who was suppose to be building a landing craft? There is no budget for this at all?

I read the NASA site daily, so the main missions I checked out are just the Mars rovers. A little slow with all that, not a lot in the findings yet..

 

[jedidia]

If you wanted to do it the most economic way without wasting money for tasks without value, it could easily need 4 or 5 times the money....

Ah yes, the age-old practice of ruining a business by "saving costs"...

 

[Urwumpe]

Ah yes, the age-old practice of ruining a business by "saving costs"...

Yes, or how somebody else explained it: "Have more births by calling for chastity".

 

[barrygolden]

Who was suppose to be building a landing craft? There is no budget for this at all?

NASA has funded Space X and Blue Origin to build landers Bezos already over budget and Space X needs a bulldozer to build a landing pad for a 7 story building. Maybe the Alpaca made more sence for both crew and a cargo version

 

[TheShuttleExperience]

The budget has less money, I haven't even checked this years budget, regardless, the next mission takes off when it does.

Yeah. But just the next, and maybe another one for now. I'm not an economist, but I have hopes for the post-ISS era though, which eventually might free additional money, resources and manpower. But that is till at least 6 years in the future.

It's a little bit equal to the post-Apollo era I think. There wasn't enough money to fly Moon landing missions while simultaneously design, build and test the Shuttle in the 70s. So they used remnants of the Apollo program for Skylab and the ASTP flight, followed by a gap of 6 years until STS-1.

Who was suppose to be building a landing craft? There is no budget for this at all?

Like Urwumpe and berrygolden mentioned. More precisely, it will be the Starship HLS.

Starship HLS - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I read the NASA site daily, so the main missions I checked out are just the Mars rovers. A little slow with all that, not a lot in the findings yet..

I read the NASA website too. But I think https://www.nasaspaceflight.com provides more in-depth information. The NASA website (and NASA TV) is still a nightmare in terms of public relations imho.

 

[Urwumpe]

Who was suppose to be building a landing craft? There is no budget for this at all?

The landing craft program is called HLS - Human Landing System, you can find it in the NASA budget.

NextSTEP H: Human Landing System - NASA

Apr. 8, 2019 – First synopsis Issued April 26, 2019 – Updated synopsis Issued July 19, 2019 – Draft BAA issued | AnnouncementJuly

www.nasa.gov

 

[MarkWatney2015]

Orion launching on other rockets than SLS now being seriously considered by NASA and Lockheed Martin

Once unthinkable, NASA and Lockheed now consider launching Orion on other rockets

We're trying to crawl, then walk, then run into our reuse strategy."

arstechnica.com

 

[Urwumpe]

A good idea, since the Orion Capsule is most likely the most mature and most useful component of the Artemis program. Sadly, its slightly too heavy for launching on a current Ariane 6.

 

[MarkWatney2015]

New Glenn might be the only rocket capable of lifting Orion to LEO

 

[Star Voyager]

Orion launching on other rockets than SLS now being seriously considered by NASA and Lockheed Martin

Once unthinkable, NASA and Lockheed now consider launching Orion on other rockets

We're trying to crawl, then walk, then run into our reuse strategy."

arstechnica.com

Isn’t Orion vertically integrated? I don’t see that working out with horizontally integrated Falcon Heavy or New Glenn, at least not without more time and money.