Are spirits a different life form?

[ar81]

If you take a propeller blade it looks solid and if you hit something with it, it will hit hard.

But if you make it turn it will be almost invisible to the casual observer.
We humans have studied properties of electromagnetic radiation that has a frequency and a finite number of packets called photons.
Waves have properties of particles and viceversa.
Therefore, it could be possible that you have matter that has frequency and if frequency changes you could have "invisible propeller blades" o "dark matter".

If you have matter that passes from visible to invisible spectrum of frequencies, you could have things that appear and disappear, like ghosts.
If spirits are matter in a different frequency, it could be possible that hey could be life forms, and dwarves and elves from popular mythology could be indeed dark matter creatures, a different or parallel evolution.
Ghosts could be the dark matter bodies of those who died and haven't made the corresponding change of frequency.
And if it is possible to stop all frequency, you could live in a "realm without time".

Have we studied frequency of particles? Could spirits be less supernatural than we believe? Could it be that spirits exist but we can't see them, just like we can't see infrarred with out naked eye? Are spirits a life form?

Could it be possible that we could find such a lifeforms in alien planets? Could we have such creatures living underground or high layers of atmosphere?

 

[bujin]

Nah, I really don't think so, to be honest. There really doesn't appear to be any good evidence that there is any survival of death, other than wishful thinking. Certainly the dwarves and elves of mythology are just that - myth! (Aside from the real-life dwarf people, of course).

Ghosts can be explained by a lot of different things, but dark matter beings who move so fast that the human eye/brain system cannot see them just seems a little bit implausible to me!

 

[Woo482]

I think you are going crazy Spirits and Life after death Is A load of Bull **** !

 

[Brad]

There really doesn't appear to be any good evidence that there is any survival of death, other than wishful thinking.

Errr...until you dead. The problem with looking at this in a scientific way is there is no way to qualify the result. In the science world, if it can not be shown either mathematically, or by some other quantifying approach, it can not be theorized or proposed.

It is my opinion that the spirit is a more refined or fine form of matter – undetectable by current scientific methods.

 

[eveningsky339]

Nah, I really don't think so, to be honest. There really doesn't appear to be any good evidence that there is any survival of death, other than wishful thinking. Certainly the dwarves and elves of mythology are just that - myth! (Aside from the real-life dwarf people, of course).

Ghosts can be explained by a lot of different things, but dark matter beings who move so fast that the human eye/brain system cannot see them just seems a little bit implausible to me!

Paranormal investigators who take a skeptical, scientific approach do find evidence for survival after death. But of course, I don't think anyone here has been involved in that line of work, so that doesn't get us very far...

 

[n0mad23]

Still, there's the problem of balancing the books. The first law of thermodynamics makes the question valid.

I'm betting quantum physics will give us a couple of insights, or at least viable possibilities for further discussion.

 

[sputnik]

Are spirits a different life form?

I asked my whiskey bottle, but so far, no reply. I'll let you know.

 

[willy88]

I asked my whiskey bottle, but so far, no reply. I'll let you know.

:rofl:

 

[adamb193]

Paranormal investigators who take a skeptical, scientific approach do find evidence for survival after death. But of course, I don't think anyone here has been involved in that line of work, so that doesn't get us very far...

Well I died once but came back the people were boring, no sense of humor.

 

[pattersoncr]

Well I died once but came back the people were boring, no sense of humor.

"She turned me into a newt!"

"A newt?"

"...I got better."

 

[pete.dakota]

It's certainly in-keeping with some theories that matter can (and perhaps, has to) exist beyond our visible dimensions.

The debate of 'sprits' existing beyond our notable universe, though, would have to be sparked by proof that, upon death, matter from the body is lost, as if to no where, and with no explanation. That doesn't happen. So unless an expired human/animal actually creates matter in the form of waves, frequencies and/or dark matter (etc.) beyond our means of current detection; the topic is a dead end.

It's a quaint notion, and interesting to think about- but there'll never be any evidence to spur anyone outside of organised religion into seriously researching it.

I'm sure if some scientist did publish a paper proposing this possibility, The Vatican and various other religious constituencies, would jump on and use it to back certain, currently unexplainable, parts of the bible.

Similarly; I read an article earlier this year, announcing that the chief astronomer for The Vatican, Gabriel Funes believes that extra terrestrial life forms that we may find in the near future will still be 'God's creatures', and that their existence may even be mentioned in the bible. Funny how, after two thousand years of religious practice, only now, in a 21st century laden with scienctists and robots probing the universe for ET, is The Vatican saying that the discovery of which would not contradict their religion. Only now?

I suppose it's the same with any Science vs. Religion, or, Natural vs. Supernatural debate -- The debate always wins.

 

[Moonwalker]

Growth and aging of our body and spirit happens parallel. Independent existence of body and spirit as impossible which is more than rather obviously.

Life after death is a contradiction which tries to consider death as impossible. It's just a hope caused by human fear of aging and finiteness. That's why humans always thought about producing a substance too which prevents aging and even gives deathlessness.

I think nobody here lived 100 years ago for example. Or in other words: we all were rather dead already before we lived. Or just not existent which for me is the same thing. Scary but seems to be the case obviously. Some people now might think about rebirth. But this is also a contradiction to the steady population increase of the humankind and to individuality.

There is a 100% evidence of death for everybody who doesn't close both eyes and ears. No science needed. We just have to deal with it and we will anyway once the little moment has come...

 

[GregBurch]

1. Some things exist that I can't see with my eyes.
2. I can't see purple monkeys flying out of my as*
3. Some people believe purple monkeys fly out of my as*
4. Therefore purple monkeys fly out of my as*

What's wrong with this reasoning?

 

[tblaxland]

What's wrong with this reasoning?

Nothing, nothing at all. In fact, when you go to bed tonight you can count the monkeys flying out your as* to help you get to sleep. Now if that doesn't give you nightmares I don't know what will

EDIT:

Have we studied frequency of particles?

Yes, extensively. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave-particle_duality#Wave_behavior_of_large_objects

There's nothing in there to make me believe in spirits.

 

[Kyle]

Strange, were does the though go after your dead? Kinda hard to comprehend Things after you die if you don't exist, and you cant remember, no though, no sight, no hearing,
nothing. Thats extremely hard to comprehend.

 

[tblaxland]

Strange, were does the though go after your dead? Kinda hard to comprehend Things after you die if you don't exist, and you cant remember, no though, no sight, no hearing,
nothing. Thats extremely hard to comprehend.

You can comprehend the number zero? Its just like that. People have not always been able to deal with zero - from the Wikipedia article:

Records show that the ancient Greeks seemed unsure about the status of zero as a number. They asked themselves, "How can nothing be something?", leading to philosophical and, by the Medieval period, religious arguments about the nature and existence of zero and the vacuum.

 

[bujin]

Paranormal investigators who take a skeptical, scientific approach do find evidence for survival after death. But of course, I don't think anyone here has been involved in that line of work, so that doesn't get us very far...

Actually I have. I was involved with paranormal investigation for a few years, always taking a sceptical view, and found absolutely no evidence whatsoever for the survival of death.

You'll often find that the paranormal investigators who take the sceptical, scientific approach have usually not been as sceptical or scientific as they claim. When their methods are investigated in detail, there is almost always grounds for doubt of their results.

 

[simonpro]

Spirit world = Load of bull.

 

[bujin]

In fact, thinking about the initial question further, if we can measure the mass of our bodies and it is entirely accounted for with normal matter, where does the "dark matter" come from when we transform into spirit? The body weighs the same when dead as when alive, so there has been no matter transferral, and matter cannot just be created out of nothing as that would violate the conservation of energy principle.

I'm still inclined to think that the idea of spirits comes from many thousands of years of stories, wishful thinking, misinterpretation of natural events and psychological/neurological phenomena, and that when the brain dies, we cease to be.

 

[Urwumpe]

99% of the spirit stories are based on vivid imagination, the remaining 1% are left for druids, who know what mushrooms do.

Also, most people who believe in spirits and claim to see them are such annoying people and so unaware, that they would not notice a spirit, if it would be flying right in their face.

Also, low frequency sounds can make you hallucinate pretty easily.