Question Mars One? Has anyone gave a donation?

[richfororbit]

Hi there,

For those employed, and earning something, I assume, has anyone thought about about making a donation to Mars One? Individual donations can be $2 or more using Paypal.

This year their candidate selection begins training.

I imagine quite a few on here who have a good understanding of the idea of a mission to Mars, the more physics savvy here would be sceptical for the moment?

According to the site, the Launcher for the hardware will be provided by a company.

I do like the Mars cofee mug, it is about £13.93, $20.

Mr Zubrin is an advisor for the non profit group, he would be. Otherwise he could be waiting his entire life to see NASA make an attempt at what Bas lansdorp is attempting.

 

[Urwumpe]

Hi there,

For those employed, and earning something, I assume, has anyone thought about about making a donation to Mars One?

No. I don't do Ponzi schemes.

 

[PhantomCruiser]

I'm more interested in funding my retirement account.

 

[jroly]

I don't think anything is happening with Mars One, I doubt any training will happen because Mars One does not have anything to train them with.

 

[C3PO]

How much is M$ PowerPoint these days?

 

[Urwumpe]

How much is M$ PowerPoint these days?

A full office package costs about 120 €, if you like it expensive, but you can get it cheaper.

 

[richfororbit]

LOL at the video.

This non profit organisation will be five years old soon.

The current schedule is training this year, and then a non personnel mission to the planet.

I know Neil Tyson certainly doesn't believe this will happen at all.

And on the topic of Mars, since I have tried some landing on Mars, not yet pin point I guess I enter to early, so I lose altitude as a result. Why are Mars globes so expensive?

 

[Urwumpe]

I know Neil Tyson certainly doesn't believe this will happen at all.

He is not the only one there. Quite many people with some insight into spaceflight have questioned if their roadmap will work out, if they lack the necessary cooperation contracts and launch manifests now.

After all, not even SpaceX has anything documented with them, despite Mars One constantly stating that a Falcon 9 will be used and a Dragon will be flying, etc.

Also, they are operating extremely in-transparent, which makes them highly unsuitable for investing into them.

 

[boogabooga]

Even IF they got people to mars, I find their plan to just leave the people there for life to be immoral.

I think that their volunteers, while being dreamy-eyed idealists while standing on terra firma, will quickly change their mind once the harsh realities of surviving on a hostile planet apparent.

 

[DaveS]

Even IF they got people to mars, I find their plan to just leave the people there for life to be immoral.

I think that their volunteers, while being dreamy-eyed idealists while standing on terra firma, will quickly change their mind once the harsh realities of surviving on a hostile planet apparent.

Well, this is pretty much the SpaceX plans for Mars and their raison d'être.

 

[Urwumpe]

I think that their volunteers, while being dreamy-eyed idealists while standing on terra firma, will quickly change their mind once the harsh realities of surviving on a hostile planet apparent.

Have the first crew not survive the 18 months until the next launch window and you will have no second crew any more.

 

[GLS]

Have the first crew not survive the 18 months until the next launch window and you will have no second crew any more.

Wasn't this mission that, according to an MIT study, would die in 6 weeks or so because of the plants?

 

[Urwumpe]

Wasn't this mission that, according to an MIT study, would die in 6 weeks or so because of the plants?

Exactly. Not just that mission profile, but others based on greenhouses as well. But generally, you would need robotic greenhouses to provide a starting point before the first human arrives, so the human tended greenhouses are only supplementing a robotic base.

 

[richfororbit]

According to The Mars Underground film, quite a good film which explains Mr Zubrin's NASA approach mission of there in a decade like the first missions to the moon and the whole idea of it should work, that is a return mission and the eventual centuries down the road change of Mars as a result of setttlement and that it won't be a utopia just like the first settlement of a proposed Mars One funded mission using contracted companies would surely be an experiment as Mr Zubrin certainly is sure of. A recent good quality uploaded onto the youtube site is available, just a week back. A Nasa employee expresses in the film, "we aren't ready to send people to Mars yet". That was in 2006.

NASA's supposed orbital only mission time table is 2036.

That MIT study is recent, I would imagine.

Anyone going will need a mentality that would have to stand the test of time, that being the rest of a lifetime.

 

[Urwumpe]

Anyone going will need a mentality that would have to stand the test of time, that being the rest of a lifetime.

Yes. "This ship stays with you for the rest of your life."

If you want to start Mars colonisation with the cemetery first.

But generally, colonization works not by dying there but by living there.

 

[DaveS]

Yes. "This ship stays with you for the rest of your life."

If you want to start Mars colonisation with the cemetery first.

But generally, colonization works not by dying there but by living there.

Yes, which is why I really think that SpaceX´s approach of selling seats on their Mars Colonial Transport (MCT) will fail spectacularly as only super-rich people will be able to afford the trip. And most of those have no real will to leave their comfy Earth life behind for all time.

 

[Urwumpe]

Yes, which is why I really think that SpaceX´s approach of selling seats on their Mars Colonial Transport (MCT) will fail spectacularly as only super-rich people will be able to afford the trip. And most of those have no real will to leave their comfy Earth life behind for all time.

Exactly. Also you need the right kind of people in the middle between the extremes. You need skilled specialists, who can take risks as well. But you don't want people planning to die in exotic places, you want people who are not giving up.

 

[DaveS]

Exactly. Also you need the right kind of people in the middle between the extremes. You need skilled specialists, who can take risks as well. But you don't want people planning to die in exotic places, you want people who are not giving up.

I agree with everything but most if not all of those are most likely not going unless a return ticket is included. This is why all of the current dream-like ideal concepts of Mars settlements are pretty much DOA.

 

[Urwumpe]

I agree with everything but most if not all of those are most likely not going unless a return ticket is included. This is why all of the current dream-like ideal concepts of Mars settlements are pretty much DOA.

Of course. Without return ticket, you have no hope. And hope is a major motivation factor when there is nothing on Mars yet to hope for.

But hope is no replacement for skills. I would really love to see a small cheaply done greenhouse lander for Mars. Just for testing how plants grow under the conditions of Mars, how much artificial lighting is needed, etc. I don't want to find any surprises when humans go there.

 

[richfororbit]

Having given a clip by Mr Aldrin a watch via his site, his Mars mission plan would include a radiation shelter to enclose the hab modules that will land for the personnel. I did get a copy of his book last year, My Vision, I don't remember now if that was mentioned.

This is not mentioned with the One initiative, it is just a different variation of the Dragon modules.