Orbiter...in space?

[BruceJohnJennerLawso]

If the data/disk is intended for retrieval we could include a text file that contains the names of the orbinauts involved, and a message something like "hoping to be here someday"

 

[SolarLiner]

Why don't add:
More Sounds
XR-1
Soyuz/STS Guidance MFD
D3D11 Client

To the essential addons ?

PS: I wanted to add Moon Airbace ... But something was stopping me ...

 

[Urwumpe]

What should this get? Make a Orbiter DVD, send it into space and then sell it on Ebay with a certificate? Maybe it would be cheaper asking Virgin Galactic for this...

 

[Loru]

Some criticism.

I'm simply amazed how unproffesional it was done IMO. First of all you've should have asked Martin what he thinks about this idea. After all it's his creation. Then there should be a proper discussion what to include on pendrive/SD Card. Besides that linking to this thread isn't best idea also.

In my opinion you should write a formal letter (even E-Mail) describing in few words what is Orbiter, then few words about our community (O-F) and this project. I don't think taking 15 or 20 grams of SD-Card would be an issue but it has to be well motivated.

I'm sure folks in SpaceX would understand it but fact they're working in t-shirts instead of suits and shirts doesn't mean you can aproach them with "OMG we have simulator, here is link, send a pendrive in space"

Idea isn't actually that bad and some folks from here and Orbiter Forum Italia proved that we can interact with real spaceflight events.

But please.. think, plan, think again, plan, discuss, then do.

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PS. After return from orbit that SD-Card / pendrive should be send to Martin IMO

 

[Spacethingy]

If the SpaceX thing doesn't work out...
Slightly smaller start?

 

[Keatah]

Selling the dvd/memory device on ebay? No I don't think that would be appropriate.

 

[garyw]

So what would you guys do with it once it had been returned? What would be the actual goal for this? It goes up does what whilst up there then comes down?

 

[Keatah]

I think letting them (SpaceX or any other carrier) see this is a great idea. They can see for themselves exactly who and what we are. If we're damned, then let us be damned for who we are!

But I rather think this is a great community, with many members being here since day one. That's like 10-years. I wouldn't presume to speak for the good Doctor. But I can see him being quite thrilled with the idea!

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So what would you guys do with it once it had been returned? What would be the actual goal for this? It goes up does what whilst up there then comes down?

Martin gets a framed or Lucite-embedded copy in a nice presentation box. I can arrange that quite nicely too.

 

[Urwumpe]

I think letting them (SpaceX or any other carrier) see this is a great idea. They can see for themselves exactly who and what we are. If we're damned, then let us be damned for who we are!

Ouch. Please, reconsider this.

Let us be damned for what we are and not be damned for what first impression we leave. There is only one chance for a first impression.

 

[mojoey]

Ok...so...who's gonna write the letter? I'm horrible at formal letters.

I do agree with the microSD format, however...what if the laptop doesn't have a SD slot?

 

[garyw]

I do agree with the microSD format, however...what if the laptop doesn't have a SD slot?

If you think that someone on the ISS is going to put an SSD card that is not mission related into a laptop then you are mistaken. All laptops on the ISS are mission specific and come with very long checklists for specific procedures.

So, to get an SSD card on board a spacex or any other spacecraft would require some extensive testing. If you then expect an astronaut to spend time using this SSD card then you've got to provide a reason - educational may be an option but otherwise forget it. You are talking a lot of time to process the card, draw up the procedures, slot it into a timeline and so on.

 

[Urwumpe]

If you think that someone on the ISS is going to put an SSD card that is not mission related into a laptop then you are mistaken. All laptops on the ISS are mission specific and come with very long checklists for specific procedures.

So, to get an SSD card on board a spacex or any other spacecraft would require some extensive testing. If you then expect an astronaut to spend time using this SSD card then you've got to provide a reason - educational may be an option but otherwise forget it. You are talking a lot of time to process the card, draw up the procedures, slot it into a timeline and so on.

Exactly. It isn't our spacecraft. Many people here seem to forget this, like "This is just a few grams of a microSD card, who does it hurt?" Can you imagine how expensive a single minute of an astronaut in space is? How many things can go wrong? if the simple SD card kills one of the few laptops on the ISS, it is a long way to the shop.

Having Bill Gates do your tax reports might be cheaper.

 

[mojoey]

If you think that someone on the ISS is going to put an SSD card that is not mission related into a laptop then you are mistaken. All laptops on the ISS are mission specific and come with very long checklists for specific procedures.

So, to get an SSD card on board a spacex or any other spacecraft would require some extensive testing. If you then expect an astronaut to spend time using this SSD card then you've got to provide a reason - educational may be an option but otherwise forget it. You are talking a lot of time to process the card, draw up the procedures, slot it into a timeline and so on.

I would think...that you could purpose it for training, I.E. docking, Dragon Capture Etc. Etc.

IIRC, don't the astronauts have a certain allotment of weight they can have for personal stuff? If so, we could have 6 SD cards made up and sent to each of the station crew.

 

[Urwumpe]

IIRC, don't the astronauts have a certain allotment of weight they can have for personal stuff? If so, we could have 6 SD cards made up and sent to each of the station crew.

I highlighted the important thing for you. If I ever travel to the ISS to do some software roll-out there, I promise you, I would even find the room for a few Orbiter medias in my weight budget.

But otherwise, I don't know any astronauts here and not more who might put an orbiter microSD card into their personal stuff.

 

[george7378]

Hmmm, well I don't know how much of a hope this has of actually happening, people seem to have different opinions. In the case that it goes ahead, I'd like to request that my 'Space Calculators' program be included ([ame="http://orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=5757"]Space Calculators V2[/ame]). Thanks a lot - and yes, it is possible to interact with space missions in real life - there have been a number of instances where astronauts offer to directly answer questions of people on Earth by creating videos for them.

Good luck!

 

[Keatah]

Getting the software "to-be-run" up there isn't going to happen.

If the laptop doesn't have an SD slot, you buy an adapter. But the point is moot. There's no reason to play games in space. The general public would use that as..."Look!! Billions of dollars spent to play games.." Then the budget cuts start.


Getting an SD card space qualified. That's a joke. The ISS astronauts use Nikon cameras and they use nothing but SD cards. Or perhaps Compact Flash, depending on the exact model. You just get the same brand.

Look none of this needs to be too formal. If space access is to be commonplace, a lot of the minutiae is gonna need to be let up. It's as simple as that and the less red tape and bureaucracy the better.

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Hmmm, well I don't know how much of a hope this has of actually happening, people seem to have different opinions. In the case that it goes ahead, I'd like to request that my 'Space Calculators' program be included (Space Calculators V2). Thanks a lot - and yes, it is possible to interact with space missions in real life - there have been a number of instances where astronauts offer to directly answer questions of people on Earth by creating videos for them.

Good luck!

AS far as I'm concerned just dump the whole of orbithangar and other repositories and the orbiter code itself. It will all fit on a 64GB card easy.

 

[garyw]

I would think...that you could purpose it for training, I.E. docking, Dragon Capture Etc. Etc.

If you think that NASA, ESA, Roscosmos, Energia, SpaceX, etc will certify Orbiter for Astronaut training then you are dreaming. they already have very purpose built software for training. Software that mimics the actual vehicle parameters in a much more detailed way than Orbiter does.

IIRC, don't the astronauts have a certain allotment of weight they can have for personal stuff? If so, we could have 6 SD cards made up and sent to each of the station crew.

They do, it's called the PPK - Personal Preference Kit but you can't fit a laptop into it. This is not about getting SD cards to the ISS but getting them and an approved laptop. No, they can't use the ones already on the ISS without the aforementioned issues.

Getting an SD card space qualified. That's a joke. The ISS astronauts use Nikon cameras and they use nothing but SD cards. Or perhaps Compact Flash, depending on the exact model. You just get the same brand.

No it's not. They use CF cards. These cards are actually not your regular CF Cards. I can tell you now that the ones used on the ISS are 'HM2 Hi Fi CF Card'. Find one of those on the internet.

 

[Keatah]

We need to start small and stick with just the SD card. Get it up there, and and back down and present it to Martin. Don't start thinking about running it and loading add-ons in space.

Our space program is not sufficiently advanced to afford such luxuries yet.

 

[Ark]

Doesn't the ISS have broadband by now? Just upload it.

 

[garyw]

No, the ISS doesn't have broadband. It does have internet access via TDRSS and time on TDRSS is very expensive and only comes in small chunks. A lot of the TDRSS stuff is reserved for family time.

http://www.universetoday.com/51782/iss-now-has-live-access-to-the-internet/

And this explains the limitations pretty well -> http://tek-bull.com/2011/07/dial-up-the-speed-of-the-iss-internet-access/