News Antibiotic resistant bacteria in India

[Wishbone]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-12989782

The problem is each year the microflora is getting more and more resistant, and now this... The development of antibiotics goes in spurts, we're using antibiotics more than a decade old and noone knows when the next spurt comes. Lethality in hospitals may surge considerably.

Please note the Indian health ministry joins in the chorus of denial...

 

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

The A team is forming up. The B team was the macropredators,Wolves, Lions, Bears and the like. As we have defeated the A team the B team is taking the field. Being as how the A is more numerous and more prolific than even we are, they will no doubt after a lengthy game (at least from our perspective) prevail and we will once more have our backmost parts handed to us.

Our hubris needs to be dealt with and they will deal with it in the manner by which they were designed to.

 

[T.Neo]

More numerous and prolific than us, means nothing. They are not even comparable organisms in any way; while they may mutate fast, we can take actions against them that no other organism- multicellular or single-celled, can even dream of. Case in point being the invention and use of antibiotic medications in the first place.

Hubris? Maybe there is hubris in humans, but it's warranted for the most successful and influential terrestrial megafaunal organism in known history. And even one of the most successful and influential known organisms in general... yeah.

We don't see polar bears numbering in the billions and changing the global landscape and climate, now, do we?

 

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

I can tell by your reply that you really don't get it.

 

[T.Neo]

Of course I don't get it. I base my views on biology rather than unbridled hatred for Homo Sapiens. :shifty:

 

[Wishbone]

Cool down, folks. This is not a mega catastrophe coming, but rather a pain in the tailpipe for the medical/pharmaceutical community, from what I know they kind of dreaded this inevitable event for years. And sure, going to South Asia for surgical procedures is not a good idea.

...the best weapons against germs are still a mop, chlorine and UV light...

 

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

I don't hate homo sapiens, I just pity them, all of them, with their brains too big and their ego too big and their population too big and their pride too big and their arrogance too big. They will find out soon enough that they aren't special, that they too must adhere to natural law or suffer the consequences. It is just sad that is what it is. So much potential and it is wasted on doing inconsequential things.

 

[Wishbone]

"Them"? YAAAAY, A FIRST CONTACT!!

 

[Urwumpe]

I don't hate homo sapiens, I just pity them, all of them, with their brains too big and their ego too big and their population too big and their pride too big and their arrogance too big. They will find out soon enough that they aren't special, that they too must adhere to natural law or suffer the consequences. It is just sad that is what it is. So much potential and it is wasted on doing inconsequential things.

So, you don't want to use medicine and such and instead battle it out against illnesses all on your own? Fine, that means more for those who are less suicidal.

And how much does your own pride and ego fit into the statistic? Humble and modest isn't really something I recognize easily in your presentation.

 

[N_Molson]

chlorine... fluorine... liquid fluorine ! liquid hydrogen !! hehehe :stirpot:

 

[Urwumpe]

chlorine... fluorine... liquid fluorine ! liquid hydrogen !! hehehe :stirpot:

http://www.privatehand.com/flash/elements.html

 

[Wishbone]

I can live with that (in no direct contact, of course), but not with midi-chlorians...

 

[Yoda]

I don't hate homo sapiens, I just pity them, all of them, with their brains too big and their ego too big and their population too big and their pride too big and their arrogance too big. They will find out soon enough that they aren't special, that they too must adhere to natural law or suffer the consequences. It is just sad that is what it is. So much potential and it is wasted on doing inconsequential things.

Since you obviously don't consider yourself part of the homo sapien species, or even worse somehow elevated above mere homo sapiens ( kinda arrogant don't you think) what the hell do you think you are then ?

Maybe you should put your arrogance aside, move out of Mom's basement and join the rest of us; we homo sapiens can be rather fun !

 

[T.Neo]

with their brains too big

While other human species may have had a larger cranial volume than H. sapiens, sapiens is undeniably the most intelligent of the group, as shown by blatant modern as well as fossil evidence.

Sapiens is also the only extant species of Homo. Brains too big, indeed. Big enough that we could compete and adapt and survive where other human species could not...

their population too big

You could probably pave Earth over with ten times its current population, but the result would probably be an ugly, ugly place.

find out soon enough that they aren't special

Humans aren't special?

So obviously Earth is crawling with an abundance of highly intelligent intricate tool-using, art and culture-creating organisms...

they too must adhere to natural law

This is too obvious for words. I mean, right now gravity is pulling me to the floor, air is convecting away my body heat and photons are striking my skin. Would I really be as stupid as to forget all this and end up floating in the middle of the room, or worse? :lol:

 

[FADEC]

The problem I see is that we basically fight symptoms instead of preventing causes. Gods in white do impress a lot of people and taking medicine is a comfortable thing. But more important than selling medicine is a proper nutrition, hygiene, and a good physical condition. Beauty knows no pain. So health also doesn't.

 

[Urwumpe]

The problem I see is that we basically fight symptoms instead of preventing causes. Gods in white do impress a lot of people and taking medicine is a comfortable thing. But more important than selling medicine is a proper nutrition, hygiene, and a good physical condition. Beauty knows no pain. So health also doesn't.

Prophylaxis is one aspect of medicine - but even the best prevention does not rescue you all the time. Sometimes you need also a plan for the worst.

And currently, we run out of the good plans against the worst, because we use our best plan already for mass-feeding cows. Such farmers should be shot as traitors.

 

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

Since you obviously don't consider yourself part of the homo sapien species, or even worse somehow elevated above mere homo sapiens ( kinda arrogant don't you think) what the hell do you think you are then ?

Maybe you should put your arrogance aside, move out of Mom's basement and join the rest of us; we homo sapiens can be rather fun !

Wow, Yoda! Lots of assumptions on your part. I definately consider myself a homo sapiens and not elevated above, I just have done a lot of inner work and maybe see more clearly than some. I moved out of the house when I turned 17, and it was my Dad's house as my Mom died when I was 15.

99% of all species that ever lived are extinct, do you really think that we will be an exception to that statistic?

Maybe those disease vectors are there for a reason. Maybe a certain percentage of humans are supposed to succumb to disease so their inferior immune systems don't get propogated in the next generation? So we circumvented it for how long? Since maybe 1940. In a little over 70 years, hardly one generation has passed and the bacteria have adapted, just like the Borg.

Those who worship at the alter of technology and believe that technology will always triumph are only fooling themselves.:rofl:

 

[Jamesep3]

Strange we just finneshed learning about this in science. What the problem is is the abuse and misuse of antibiotics. I can go into immence detail but that would take up several pages. so I will just state the solution we found. The perscrition of antibiotics and the taking of antibiotics would have to be monitored by doctors, this would mean that there could be no over the counter self borght antibiotics and that the coarse of medication must be completely taken and the amount taken per day must be exsactly what is said on the label.
The problem is this would not be a perfect fix and the biggest problem is the patient who is likely not to stick to these strict rules and in essence make thier cure useless:facepalm:

 

[halcyon]

To Mister Mxyzptlk:

For you sir.

 

[T.Neo]

I moved out of the house when I turned 17, and it was my Dad's house as my Mom died when I was 15.

I can tell you of millions of people, who have not only had the guidance of their parents taken away from them, but who have at the same time needed to take care of their siblings and/or sick family members...

99% of all species that ever lived are extinct, do you really think that we will be an exception to that statistic?

1% of all species that ever lived are extant. We're part of that 1%.

Just because a species can go extinct (this is possible for all species, naturally), does not mean that a particular species, or indeed any species, is an inept and extinction prone group of organisms that couldn't know up from down.

It is really not easy to overstate the adaptability of humans, in biological terms.

Maybe those disease vectors are there for a reason. Maybe a certain percentage of humans are supposed to succumb to disease so their inferior immune systems don't get propogated in the next generation? So we circumvented it for how long? Since maybe 1940.

Which is really silly. Antibiotics are vital to treat infections that any immune system wouldn't be able to handle on its own, as well as infections in people that have situation-compromised immune systems or are in need of other help.

Besides, how would you feel if you had an 'inferior immune system'? Or if someone you love had an 'inferior immune system'? Would you care about being "inferior", if you were lying on your deathbed succumbing to a treatable infection, dying a preventable death?

In a little over 70 years, hardly one generation has passed and the bacteria have adapted, just like the Borg.

Bacteria can adapt far faster than on the scale of generations. And we've adapted too- made new drugs, new treatment methods, new research, etc.

Those who worship at the alter of technology and believe that technology will always triumph are only fooling themselves.

Ahem. Technology has been a triumph since before H. sapiens even existed. You'd have to be blind to deny it- where technology goes wrong, we look back on the situation, re-evaluate, and do it again.