A possibility; Nukes in space

[OrbiterSpore]

Since it is an possibility, i say; Nukes detonated in space have more effeciveness than detonated in earth.


Since no atmosphere, no mushroom cloud, but the effects are worse than the ones here in earth, likely the radiation will spread lot faster since nothing is there to slow it down, and surely any life form nearby will be wiped out, and the burst will be lot different than in earth;

1. The explosion from far away will look like an little white spot.
2. When detonated 0n-0rbit, will cause more radiation effects than detonated at ground level.
3. Eletronics will be useless with the eletromagnectic waves released from the burst. (0oh! My computer!)

And the weirdest detail of that is if the explosion is combined with the sinetic energy of an impact at low-gravity on the moon, surely the damage will, on 1-5 scale, the impact equals 5,5.

 

[Urwumpe]

You are aware that the inverse square law also applies to nuclear weapons?

Also, why does always have the same to pop up here. Nukes,kill, battle, fight.

Nukes in space? What a waste of space. I want pigs in space! Or jews in space! Which would be way cooler than all nukes in space falling towards a black hole.

 

[IgnoreThisBarrel]

You are aware that the inverse square law also applies to nuclear weapons?

Also, why does always have the same to pop up here. Nukes,kill, battle, fight.

Nukes in space? What a waste of space. I want pigs in space! Or jews in space! Which would be way cooler than all nukes in space falling towards a black hole.

Here ya go! youtube.com/watch?v=-_jLnrUXJNM

Baruch atah Probe eloheinu melech ha'olam, she'heyiyanu v'kiyimanu v'higi'anu laz'man hazeh

My spelling is probably way off, been a while since I tried to remember any Hebrew prayers >.>




Anyway, probe commands us not to detonate nukes near his orbit, for that would be forsaking his orbital trajectory, and could, if he were NOT omnipotent, cause him to reenter or garble his transmissions.

I think we should stick with blowing our planet up, and not space.

(We can still blow up the Moon though)

 

[OrbiterSpore]

PEANUTS IN SPACE!? THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS! :facts:

:ditto:

 

[Izack]

You are aware that the inverse square law also applies to nuclear weapons?

I would say the opposite is true:

y=x^2, where x=realism and y=the total mass of experience that crushes your dreams of cool space combat.

 

[Wishbone]

Time to review your basic understanding of The Effects of Nuclear Weapons, by Glasstone and Dolan.

 

[Unstung]

Or jews in space!

What?

Oh, and: [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_astronauts"]List of Jewish astronauts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


And: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse#Generation_of_nuclear_EMP

 

[jedidia]

Since it is an possibility, i say; Nukes detonated in space have more effeciveness than detonated in earth.

Since it is a possibility, I say: You have some serious misconceptions! Read up and do the math!

Eletronics will be useless with the eletromagnectic waves released from the burst. (0oh! My computer!)

This being one of those misconceptions: a nuclear detonation needs an atmosphere to produce an emp. There's absolutely no emp whatsoever in a vacuum.

likely the radiation will spread lot faster since nothing is there to slow it down

radiation... slowed down? do you know what radiation IS?

I want pigs in space! Or jews in space!

You know, it might not have been a good career move to mention both in the same sentence, although I'm convinced that you have no intent to insult anyone.

 

[Urwumpe]

You know, it might not have been a good career move to mention both in the same sentence, although I'm convinced that you have no intent to insult anyone.

You know, political correctness is for people with the desire for a boring death. :lol:

Also, I think that both in one line are perfectly fitting if you have the context.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Muppet_Show"]The Muppet Show - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_World,_Part_I

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_jLnrUXJNM"]YouTube - Jews in Space (original)[/ame]

 

[Ghostrider]

Nukes in space have a reason to be if you want to wreak a handsome deal of havoc on the enemy's economy by creating a massive EMP over their territory - in short, going all Goldeneye on them. For space combat, the only sensible use would be as power sources for nuke-pumped X-Ray lasers. Otherwise, shaped charges rule against armour on earth as in space.

 

[jedidia]

Also, I think that both in one line are perfectly fitting if you have the context.

:rofl:

I've seen the movie... looong ago, I seriously couldn't remember that scene anymore. The only thing I remember is the "pague de pisse"...

And I didn't draw a link from pigs to the muppets in space either... guess your humor's just too devious for me :lol:

 

[OrbiterSpore]

Nukes in space have a reason to be if you want to wreak a handsome deal of havoc on the enemy's economy by creating a massive EMP over their territory - in short, going all Goldeneye on them. For space combat, the only sensible use would be as power sources for nuke-pumped X-Ray lasers. Otherwise, shaped charges rule against armour on earth as in space.

now someone that got it! i meant in LOW orbit.

 

[Ghostrider]

now someone that got it! i meant in LOW orbit.

That was already a possibility during the Cold War circa 1960, it was called FOBS (Fractional Orbital Bombardment System). In plain English, you put a nuke in LEO and when you need to attack, you send the right command and pop goes your firecracker. BTW the idea had already been explored by R.A. Heinlein (no surprises here) in Space Cadet (1948) where a number of orbiting nukes where deployed and constantly maintained by the Solar Patrol to deter hotheads on Earth.

FOBS makes nuclear attacks without early detection possible, however you need to plan your strike well in advance. It can make the Goldeneye scenario very real - cripple your opponent's economy or execute a decapitation strike before calling the real shots.

However, putting a nuke in orbit means you can only remote-control it and many governments would be very nervous about the possibility of losing control of their preciousss warheads (gollum gollum). The Outer Space Treaty forbids deployment of nukes into orbit although it doesn't ban the testing and use of delivery systems. As is the case with many treaties, it will remain valid until someone powerful enough finds a use for FOBS and decides to ignore it.

 

[JonnyBGoode]

You could always use nukes for propulsion (Orion).

Also, am I the only one that noticed that the tune of Jews in Space was recycled for Men in Tights?

 

[Urwumpe]

Also, am I the only one that noticed that the tune of Jews in Space was recycled for Men in Tights?

No, you did not. :lol:

You can't imagine how often the tune of "Memories" had been recycled in musicals. And don't let me mention Dieter Bohlen, who earned all his Golden LPs and CDs with a single song... Or Ralph Siegel, who has a patented chord progression, that also helped Rammstein to their greatest successes.

On topic: Nukes in space have another problem, they are VERY vulnerable there. You can already easily attack the nukes there before the war has gone nuclear, even during a cold war you can already fry the electronics secretly.

Nukes are actually a good way to ensure peace - you need so many soldiers guarding and maintaining them that you can't afford proper wars...only such stupid wannabe wars as the USA did in the past 50 years.

If you would be a smart Machiavellian evil dictator, you would just pretend to develop nuclear weapons and secretly concentrate your efforts on proper weapons. For the money for maintaining even a small nuclear force, you could deploy a few aircraft carriers.

And aircraft carriers are not full of international treaties to regulate them, or makes the UN and other nuisances come over to complain about your weapons.

 

[RisingFury]

radiation... slowed down? do you know what radiation IS?

I'm pretty sure that's not what he was referring to, but radiation does slow down in material. That makes the basis for lenses. In water, the speed of light is only about 0.75 c.

Sometimes particles very near the speed of light fly into the atmosphere and because light is slowed down by the atmosphere, some weird things happen...

 

[OrbiterSpore]

:tiphat:

I'm pretty sure that's not what he was referring to, but radiation DOES slow down in material. That makes the basis for lenses. In water, the speed of light is only about 0.75 c.
Sometimes particles very near the speed of light fly into the atmosphere and because light is SLOWED DOWN by the atmosphere, some weird things happen...

You DEFINETLY got it. Also, the EMP would be more or less effective in LEO?

 

[JonnyBGoode]

Light has actually been slowed down to 38 mph (61 kph) through a very dense medium.

 

[Izack]

If you would be a smart Machiavellian evil dictator, you would just pretend to develop nuclear weapons and secretly concentrate your efforts on proper weapons. For the money for maintaining even a small nuclear force, you could deploy a few aircraft carriers.

And aircraft carriers are not full of international treaties to regulate them, or makes the UN and other nuisances come over to complain about your weapons.

Devious!

Don't tell that to North Korea.

 

[Ghostrider]

:tiphat:

You DEFINETLY got it. Also, the EMP would be more or less effective in LEO?

Check out the results of the Starfish Prime test and the Soviet K Project, 1962.