Landing on Jupiter?

[ATPCFI]

Is it posible with SH-03 on a specific lat/long chosen?

 

[fireballs619]

Well I have never landed on Jupiter, or flown SH-03 extensively, but I am going to wager a guess and say no, because the atmosphere is much to dense. Again, I could be wrong.

 

[Linguofreak]

In Orbiter, yes. In real life, no.

 

[george7378]

I've sent a probe to Jupiter before to try and penetrate the gases, but it crashed into a solid surface! Would it be possible in Orbiter to replace the large solid with a large atmosphere, or would this mess up the gravity and physics?

 

[Tycho]

I've sent a probe to Jupiter before to try and penetrate the gases, but it crashed into a solid surface! Would it be possible in Orbiter to replace the large solid with a large atmosphere, or would this mess up the gravity and physics?

To do this, Jupiter might have to be treated as a vessel instead of a celestial body, and this would more than likely screw up the gravity and such, as I do not believe that vessels in orbiter can affect others in a way that a planet would. Call me crazy, but I'm going to have to say that this isn't possible.

 

[Blacklight]

I'd say make the surface a liquid if possible (That's the way it is under that thick atmosphere anyway). One thing's guaranteed though. If you miraculously land on it without burning up or crashing, you aren't going to be taking off very soon without ONE HELL of an engine.

 

[jinglesassy]

You could try making it like the size of the earth then increasing the atmospheres size till its right after along time you will still reach the surface but it will take such a long time atleast

 

[RisingFury]

I've sent a probe to Jupiter before to try and penetrate the gases, but it crashed into a solid surface! Would it be possible in Orbiter to replace the large solid with a large atmosphere, or would this mess up the gravity and physics?

Orbiter 2006 P1 has Jupiter with a simple, but thick atmosphere. I flew DG's in at as high velocity as I could get to... enjoy... the entry.

Tried the same with Orbiter 2010, but was surprised to smack into the planet.

Giving it an atmosphere would not mess up the Physics or crash Orbiter, but you're gonna need the solid surface. You'll need the texture that gets put on the ground...

I considered making the planet itself small and the atmosphere thick, but I figured that'd make it look weird.


Oh and in reality, there is no surface. The pressure is so high that gas turns into a super-critical fluid... not really a liquid - it's another phase.

 

[Izack]

You could make Jupiter tiny with a huge atmosphere, but it would look really weird. Sort of like someone plopped a big red circular gradient in the sky with a little pink dot in the middle...

 

[Hmuda]

Can the cloud layer be used to imitate the surface?

 

[jedidia]

Orbiter 2006 P1 has Jupiter with a simple, but thick atmosphere.

that's not Orbiter 2006, that's the outer planets add-on

Can the cloud layer be used to imitate the surface?

Nah, the cloud layer has a procedural microtexturing instead of the mip-maps of the surface. And if you'd get below it it would get REALLY weird.
I think the closest thing you can get is what was done in the outer planets add-on, a slightly decreased radius and an atmosphere on top of it, just to enable aerobraking.

 

[Richy]

Just take the rocky core jupiter has as the surface.

But I think the optics wouldn't be so pretty. What about OLGA? Is there a possibility for Orbiter 2010 to allow Gas-Giants (misty atmosphere, space optics)? Soon there will be some fancy space-submarine addons coming.

 

[N_Molson]

Yeah, we can't really say that Jupiter has a "surface". As said RisingFury, under extreme pressure (we speak in Mega-bars !) gases like CH4 or H2 turn to a "metallic-liquid" state, a different configuration of the bounds between atoms/molecules.

At these pressures, nothing solid can exist anyway. Since your vessel is made of some solid material, it would vaporize/melt/sublimate (no idea !) far before reaching the "metallic-liquid" layer.

In Orbiter, adding an atmosphere up to 20 bars could be interesting to simulate aerobraking (if you come from Earth and want to land on Europa for exemple). After that, modeling the atmosphere doesn't really matters...

The best data we have comes from the Galileo descent probe. It entered in Jupiter's upper atmosphere for 150 kilometers. It stopped emitting at a pressure of 23 bars, and was decelerating at 230g (yes, 230g !).

 

[Urwumpe]

Lets choose the 50 bar layer as reference - that adds some more volume. How deep below the cloud layer and how deep below the peak of the atmosphere would that be?

 

[RisingFury]

that's not Orbiter 2006, that's the outer planets add-on

Really? I don't recall installing that... Thanks the for correction.

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The best data we have comes from the Galileo descent probe. It entered in Jupiter's upper atmosphere for 150 kilometers. It stopped emitting at a pressure of 23 bars, and was decelerating at 230g (yes, 230g !).

It decelerated from it's 47 km/s to subsonic speeds in around 2 minutes and deployed a chute. It continued it's descent at subsonic speeds...

 

[statickid]

Here's what I'm wondering...how does outer planets do it? Jupiter is rendered different anyways! maybe it would be possible. or not. hold on, i'm really tired right now but doesn't jupiter render a kind of "distant" detail texture that looks like the old familiar candy-striped jupiter. then (don't know if the change is with outer planets or what) when you get really close to jupiter it doesn't use the regular color map i noticed it slowly fades at some atltitude to a generic cloud cover texture that is the same no matter where you are descending. (As you may notice i've played around jupiter alot!)

oh but then from a distance it's probably the "surface" of the giant sphere you see.

I don't know guys, i think outer planets is already doing what you want. not only can you go under the outer cloud layer, you can descend a whole lot after that before hitting the "ground" its very DEEP. I don't think its as deep as the critical liquid, but it is probably deeper than any real ship could go for a loooooong time, or even be interested in going to. I think it would be cooler to have some kind of floating gas platforms like starwars has those but maybe more realistic or less sci-fi, like the venus balloon station! or i guess i could just try to put a venus balloon station at jupiter....:blahblah::hmm:

 

[Izack]

Well, I went and landed a Deltaglider on Jupiter for you.
Here are the results:
Notice the static pressure: 2.014MPa!!!
Also the velocity (30.24km/s!!) imparted by Jupiter's spin on OrbitMFD on the left.

 

[Goth]

Also the velocity (30.24km/s!!) imparted by Jupiter's spin on OrbitMFD on the left.

LoL you're landed but you have an actual orbit relative to the planet. Awesome.

 

[Hmuda]

Nah, the cloud layer has a procedural microtexturing instead of the mip-maps of the surface. And if you'd get below it it would get REALLY weird.

I see, thanks.

 

[N_Molson]

Yeah, 2.014MPa seems in the range of value we could expect ! We can't even imagine how much pressure it is. lol !

Izack's screenshot looks a bit weird, but who knows that might be closer from the reality than we think :lol:

However, I would guess that Jupiters lower atmosphere is very very dark, because 1) the Sun is far away compared to Earth 2) It's light has to get through the extremely dense & thick atmosphere. But there are probably a lot of electrical storms & things like that I guess...

Compared to it, Venus is a nice place, I prefer the sulfuric acids showers ! :lol:

:idea: As soon as I get time, I'll try to eject a UmmU in the upper atmosphere and see what happens :rofl: