Question Who likes espresso? Got any tips on making it?

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Hey guys!

I don't know about you all, but my day doesn't begin without some good espresso. I love the bold roast by Starbucks and I recently purchased a modest home espresso machine offered by Starbucks. It requires you to tamp your own grinds. It seems there is a technique to both how fine to grind the beans to tamping.

So, who all here loves espresso? Does anyone possibly make their own who'd be willing to share some tips?

Thanks! :cheers:
-Tex
 
Well I'm certainly a man who loves his coffee, but I don't do espresso at home (since my machine broke ages ago), so can't really give you any tips directly. But who needs guidance? what more of an excuse do you want for sitting around for a whole weekend drinking espresso until you get it just right!

The only advice that come to mind is Ewan Mcgregor's crap character in Black hawk Down.... "not too fine not too coarse"...

sorry. :lol:
 
I'm in your camp Tex! I love a fine cup of espresso. I haven't really used Starbucks, so don't know which coffee to recommend, but in all honesty, it would be pointless, as the choice of beans/roast is entirely a personal preference.

There is a technique to grinding and tamping the grinds, and as with everything, you get what you pay for (the same is true with an espresso machine). There are two main types of grinders, blade and burr grinders, with the burr grinders being the more expensive, but ultimately the more reliable grinders that will last long. They also provide a more even grind. They are more expensive, so if you have the money, go for a burr grinder.

Tamping is a technique you just have to get used to. The importance of filling the 'cup' or whatever it is called is to make it evenly distributed, and the tamp should be even to provide consistency through the coffee before you force hot water through it. Any fissures, or less dense parts of the coffee will make the water form a path of least resistance through and will end up in most of the water coming through this path and so extracting less flavour and essentially underutilising some of the coffee. In some cases, you can not use some of the coffee and overextract the remaining coffee, giving your shot a bitter and astringent taste. Tamping too hard will pack the 'cake' (for want of a better word) too much and will end up with it taking ages to pull a shot. Too little and water will flood through to quickly and not extract enough flavour.

The courseness of the grind also affects the way the shot is pulled in the same way that how hard you tamp does. There's no instructions to this. It's just practise and setting it on different settings each time you do it to get the 'goldilocks' setting - not too fine, not too coarse. I've bought some pre-ground coffee before, but have found that it's not ground anywhere coarse enough and the coffee ended up underextracted and weak with virtually no crema. As an example, on my grinder, the finest setting has it ground too fine and it takes the best part of a minute to pull a shot. The next setting is the best, with the following two settings (out of about 20) being too coarse for my espresso machine.

I love my espresso machine, and I get a far superior shot of espresso out of it than in pretty much every coffee shop I've been to that wasn't in Italy. Just out of interest, what machine did you get, steam or pump powered? I've got a Gaggia classic baby

In the end, coffee (like the fine rioja I'm drinking at the moment) is a drink of love, and you should experiment with your machine and coffee to find what you like best. All this talk of coffee has made me wish I could have a nice warm cup of espresso, but as I'm about to go to bed, it's probably not a good job.

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But who needs guidance? what more of an excuse do you want for sitting around for a whole weekend drinking espresso until you get it just right!
Actually, that sentense is way better than anything that I wrote in all of my post
 
  • Choose capsule
  • Put capsule
  • Put cup
  • Put sugar in cup
  • Press button
  • Wait
  • Press button
  • Eject capsule
  • Take cup
  • Swirl with spoon
  • Drink
:D

Or use good old italian coffee machine when lack of capsule :/
 
Tex (and others). If you own an espresso machine, make sure that you follow the maintainance instructions and decalcify (descale) the machine every 3 months or so. I've had mine for about 10 months now and forgotten to descale it in the last 8 months or so. Yesterday the pump stopped working due to calcium build up and I was without my espresso (and therefore sad).

Decalcifying it is dead easy. A non-working coffee machine is a pain in the withdrawl-symptoms.
 
Thanks for the heads up! I read about that happening to several other people as well. I've only had my machine 2 months now, so I'll probably plan on doing it by the end of this month.
 
Ah yes. The joys of yet another addition to the modern boys' toys.

Keep it simple. I use a simple two piece pressure boiler (thank you Italia). I have a similar smaller unit that I take with me on camping trips. Goes to show you can take civilization with you.

Tamping is necessary, as necessary and mind-focussing as filling a good pipe of tobacco (or your favourite flammable substance), for all of the reasons previously stated. The grind must be as fine as you can possibly make it. The tamping is to ensure consistent level, density, eliminate air spaces ...

Proper technique produces an exquisite and infinite reward.
 
The grind must be as fine as you can possibly make it.
I disagree with this. If I set my grinder on its finest setting, the grind is too fine and even if I tamp lightly, the pressure from the pump compacts the coffee puck too much and it takes too long to pull a shot (over 2 minutes in some cases). As such, I have my grinder set on the second finest level. YYMV. I totally agree with everything else you said. I've taken a Moka pot on camping trips and whilst it doesn't make as good espresso compared with a dedicated machine, it suffices fine for camping trips.
 
Whoa! Too much effort here. I just went with a coffee IV...:coffee:
 
I disagree with this. If I set my grinder on its finest setting, the grind is too fine and even if I tamp lightly, the pressure from the pump compacts the coffee puck too much and it takes too long to pull a shot (over 2 minutes in some cases). As such, I have my grinder set on the second finest level. YYMV. I totally agree with everything else you said. I've taken a Moka pot on camping trips and whilst it doesn't make as good espresso compared with a dedicated machine, it suffices fine for camping trips.

Ah ... remember what I said I was using. Like everything else, every device is different. It takes trial and experience to find what works for you. There is also the joy of discovery in achieving an acceptable product.

As for the camping, whether espresso or anything else, there is nothing quite like a fresh, steaming cuppa, with the temperature in the woods just above freezing and the sun just beginning to beam through the trees, fresh from the campfire or camping stove ...
 
I don't have my own espresso machine, but have been considering purchasing one. Does anyone have any recommendations? I don't want to hijack Tex's thread, I'm just curious.
 
I don't have my own espresso machine, but have been considering purchasing one. Does anyone have any recommendations? I don't want to hijack Tex's thread, I'm just curious.

Before you invest in any of the semi-automatic or automatic espresso boiler/steamers that are available (and often at exorbitant cost) you might want to try out the stovetop devices that agentgonzo and I were discussing. These are commonly called Moka pots (or their variants such as Bialetti espresso makers). These come in a variety of sizes, my camping unit is good for one cup and actually fits into my pocket.

They are very basic. Water, filter and grind are placed into a base boiler unit that is screwed into the bottom of the collector. Put it on your stove (I recommend bringing the burner up to temperature before you put the pot on it) and enjoy shortly.

No bells and whistles, of course, but they can be quite inexpensive. They will tell you if you have the ability to achieve an acceptable product. Then you can go buy one of the big chrome units to impress all your friends. ;)
 
The stovetop/Moka pots make quite a different shot of espresso to a machine. To make a 'proper' espresso, you need to have water about ~90°C being forced through the coffee grinds at about 15bar. By their design, the moka pots will have water at 100°C at about 3bar. So the result is not of the same quality that you'd get at your local coffee shop made by a machine that costs 100 times more than a moka pot. However, that's not to say that what you get out of the moka pot is not worth drinking - I've had some superb shots of espresso made from a moka pot, though those results have been exceeded now that I have a decent machine.

What I'm trying to say is that you get what you pay for, and Espresso machines are no exception to this.

There is a lot of good detail on the web. This is quite a good link
 
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