Support STS-127 Launch scenarios for 7/15/09

Thanks David. Sixth attempt, lets hope all goes well this time.
 
WHile testing this scenario I get a better initial inclination with only a 0.63 Rinc using "TGT_HEADING 43.150 228.00"

This uses a lot less fuel for the alignment.
-Pv-
 
Well, then that's good for you. When I use the scenario, as written, I get a value of ~0.31 Rinc. Did you launch at the correct time? The scenario begins at T-5 minutes to launch.
 
Yes, launched at the correct time and got an Inc so large, correction could not be obtained using all the fuel. I had the same problem with the original Jul 17 launch scenario. The same hdg works for both when I test it. The orbital track for the ISS is nearly over the cape. I trigger the 777 command 13 seconds prior to the time in the note for the scenario.
-Pv-
 
I'm having a problem. Every time I go to the landing scenario I get a crash. I've tried taking numerous objects out of the sim and the ones that seem to be giving me a problem are the spacecraft 3 objects like the JEM porch, Jem Bus. I've installed spacecraft 3 HUNDREDS of times, so I'm not missing that.

I want to use the up to date version of the station. I'm frustrated. WHAT DO I DO???
 
Spicer said:
I'm having a problem. Every time I go to the landing scenario I get a crash. I've tried taking numerous objects out of the sim and the ones that seem to be giving me a problem are the spacecraft 3 objects like the JEM porch, Jem Bus. I've installed spacecraft 3 HUNDREDS of times, so I'm not missing that.

I want to use the up to date version of the station. I'm frustrated. WHAT DO I DO???
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Uh, what landing scenario? I haven't released a single landing scenario for STS-127 yet. This post was of two launch scenarios. "WHAT DO I DO???" Post a few details, or at least a copy of the scenario you are having problems with. Have you installed a complete Expansion pack series? Really, you have not provided enough information to provide you with any help at all. Sorry.
 
Sorry, not the landing scenario, just the undocking.

Here's the copy of the scenario. What is the complete series? I believe I've installed all of the packs up until now. I am getting a stable mission from any of the sts-119 missions, I've installed this newest mission.


BEGIN_DESC
Undocking scheduled for MET of 12/19:16:00
END_DESC

BEGIN_ENVIRONMENT
System Sol_Alt
Date MJD 55040.7201432799
END_ENVIRONMENT

BEGIN_FOCUS
Ship STS-127
END_FOCUS

BEGIN_CAMERA
TARGET STS-127
MODE Extern
POS 7.83 -179.55 73.05
TRACKMODE TargetRelative
FOV 20.00
BEGIN_PRESET
Cockpit:SSRMS:60.00
Track:MBS:40.00:RELATIVE 124.770 -2.252 -0.343
Track:STS-127:20.00:RELATIVE 4.175 -2.522 0.267
Cockpit:STS-127:20.00
END_PRESET
END_CAMERA

BEGIN_HUD
TYPE Orbit
REF AUTO
END_HUD

BEGIN_MFD Left
TYPE Map
REF Earth
TRACK ON
END_MFD

BEGIN_MFD Right
TYPE User
MODE UNIVPTG
Display 0
MET0 12
MET1 19
MET2 14
MET3 00
BODY_VECT 5
P 180.00
Y 0.00
OM -1.00
ROLL 0.00
PITCH 0.00
YAW 0.00
END_MFD


BEGIN_SHIPS
ISS:ISS15A
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497759.43 1442421.88 -6393852.84
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT -93.52 -35.70 74.24
VROT 0.00 0.07 0.00
PRPLEVEL 0:0.788
DOCKINFO 0:0,STS-127 2:0,Soyuz-TMA14 3:0,Soyuz-TMA15 7:0,JEM 10:0,Columbus
IDS 0:588 100 1:578 100 2:568 100 3:476 100 4:478 100
NAVFREQ 0 0
XPDR 466
P6 0.0000
P4 0.2505
RAD 0.0000
LIGHTS 1
MBS -2.8679
END
MBS:spacecraft\spacecraft3
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497767.46 1442405.72 -6393854.00
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT -93.52 -35.70 164.24
VROT -0.07 0.00 0.00
ATTACHED 0:2,ISS
NAVFREQ 0 0
RCS 1
CTRL_SURFACE 1
CONFIGURATION 1
CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
END
SSRMS:SSRMS
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497775.05 1442401.83 -6393854.68
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT -123.89 35.00 69.00
VROT 0.01 0.02 -0.06
ATTACHED 0:2,MBS
NAVFREQ 0 0
ARM_STATUS1 0.5169 0.4966 0.5705 0.2479
ARM_STATUS2 0.6498 0.5004 0.5000
ARM1_SEQ1 0.8599 0.1173 0.1654 0.2925
ARM1_SEQ2 0.5382 0.4434 0.7402
ARM4_SEQ1 0.7037 0.2345 0.2655 0.2737
ARM4_SEQ2 0.6667 0.4907 0.5624
ARM1SET
ARM4SET
END
ESP-3:ESP3A
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497788.65 1442424.03 -6393848.67
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT 167.13 -12.74 126.75
VROT -0.00 0.07 0.00
ATTACHED 3:7,ISS
END
KUspare:spacecraft\spacecraft3
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497786.32 1442425.36 -6393848.40
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT 60.68 -51.40 -69.30
VROT 0.00 -0.00 0.07
ATTACHED 0:0,ESP-3
NAVFREQ 0 0
RCS 1
CTRL_SURFACE 1
CONFIGURATION 1
CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
END
PumpMod:spacecraft\spacecraft3
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497790.11 1442421.70 -6393848.60
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT 60.68 -51.40 110.70
VROT -0.00 0.00 0.07
ATTACHED 0:1,ESP-3
NAVFREQ 0 0
RCS 1
CTRL_SURFACE 1
CONFIGURATION 1
CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
END
torque_box:spacecraft\spacecraft3
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497789.00 1442424.38 -6393850.25
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT -12.87 12.74 53.25
VROT 0.00 0.07 -0.00
ATTACHED 0:2,ESP-3
NAVFREQ 0 0
RCS 1
CTRL_SURFACE 1
CONFIGURATION 1
CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
END
Soyuz-TMA15:soyuzTMA
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497759.28 1442416.31 -6393843.21
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT 167.13 -12.74 -8.25
VROT 0.05 -0.05 0.00
RCSMODE 2
PRPLEVEL 0:0.951
DOCKINFO 0:3,ISS
NAVFREQ 50 100
XPDR 466
ARRAYS 1.000
CONFIGURATION 0
END
Soyuz-TMA14:soyuzTMA
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497743.29 1442441.77 -6393847.62
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT -93.52 -35.70 119.24
VROT -0.05 0.05 0.00
RCSMODE 2
PRPLEVEL 0:0.951
DOCKINFO 0:2,ISS
NAVFREQ 50 100
XPDR 466
ARRAYS 1.000
CONFIGURATION 0
END
Kibo:Kibo
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497781.94 1442407.12 -6393850.73
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT 167.13 -12.74 -53.25
VROT 0.00 -0.07 0.00
DOCKINFO 0:1,JEM
NAVFREQ 0 0
XPDR 466
END
Columbus:Columbus
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497768.41 1442397.38 -6393850.85
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT 60.68 -51.40 110.70
VROT -0.00 0.00 0.07
DOCKINFO 0:10,ISS
NAVFREQ 0 0
XPDR 466
END
JEM:spacecraft\spacecraft3
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497778.27 1442404.24 -6393847.00
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT 60.68 -51.40 20.70
VROT 0.00 0.00 0.07
DOCKINFO 0:7,ISS 1:0,Kibo
NAVFREQ 0 0
RCS 1
CTRL_SURFACE 1
CONFIGURATION 1
CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
SEQ 0 -2 0.000000
SEQ 1 -2 0.000000
SEQ 2 -2 0.000000
END
JEMRMS:spacecraft\spacecraft3
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497786.97 1442408.50 -6393845.91
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT 60.68 -51.40 20.70
VROT 0.00 0.00 0.07
ATTACHED 0:0,JEM
NAVFREQ 0 0
RCS 1
CTRL_SURFACE 1
CONFIGURATION 1
CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
SEQ 0 2 0.478450
SEQ 1 -2 0.336600
SEQ 2 2 0.673583
SEQ 3 -2 0.648417
SEQ 4 2 0.498150
SEQ 5 -2 0.500000
SEQ 6 -2 0.500000
END
JEM_BUS:spacecraft\spacecraft3
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497785.02 1442407.73 -6393842.84
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT -119.32 51.40 159.30
VROT -0.00 0.00 -0.07
ATTACHED 1:3,JEM
NAVFREQ 0 0
RCS 1
CTRL_SURFACE 1
CONFIGURATION 1
CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
END
JEM_EF_ICS:spacecraft\spacecraft3
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497788.48 1442406.20 -6393842.14
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT 167.13 -12.74 -143.25
VROT -0.07 -0.00 0.00
ATTACHED 1:9,JEM_BUS
NAVFREQ 0 0
RCS 1
CTRL_SURFACE 1
CONFIGURATION 1
CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
SEQ 0 2 0.957500
SEQ 1 -2 0.000000
SEQ 2 -2 0.000000
SEQ 3 -2 0.000000
END
JEM_EF_MAXI:spacecraft\spacecraft3
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497785.24 1442403.85 -6393843.43
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT 167.13 -12.74 -143.25
VROT -0.07 -0.00 0.00
ATTACHED 1:3,JEM_BUS
NAVFREQ 0 0
RCS 1
CTRL_SURFACE 1
CONFIGURATION 1
CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
END
JEM_EF_SEDA:spacecraft\spacecraft3
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497788.92 1442409.20 -6393841.35
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT 167.13 -12.74 -53.25
VROT 0.00 -0.07 0.00
ATTACHED 1:8,JEM_BUS
NAVFREQ 0 0
RCS 1
CTRL_SURFACE 1
CONFIGURATION 1
CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
END
Dextre:dextre
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497771.27 1442405.30 -6393845.86
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT -49.71 45.11 34.20
VROT 0.00 0.05 -0.05
ATTACHED 0:1,ISS
NAVFREQ 0 0
END
DxS:dextreS
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497772.66 1442404.20 -6393844.99
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT -34.66 -43.88 -100.57
VROT 0.03 -0.05 0.03
ATTACHED 1:1,Dextre
END
DxP:dextreP
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497770.72 1442406.90 -6393844.83
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT 47.99 7.60 -134.37
VROT -0.03 -0.05 0.03
ATTACHED 1:0,Dextre
END
DxPh:dextrePa
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497770.70 1442407.87 -6393844.14
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT 47.99 7.60 -134.37
VROT -0.03 -0.05 0.03
ATTACHED 0:0,DxP
END
DxSh:dextreSa
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497773.61 1442403.82 -6393844.39
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT -34.66 -43.88 -100.57
VROT 0.03 -0.05 0.03
ATTACHED 0:0,DxS
END
STS-127:Shuttle
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497774.86 1442391.55 -6393838.97
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT 167.13 -12.74 -143.25
VROT -0.07 -0.00 0.00
RCSMODE 2
PRPLEVEL 0:0.845
DOCKINFO 0:0,ISS
NAVFREQ 0 0
CONFIGURATION 3
OV- 105
RENDER
RMSARM
ODS
OBSS
CARGODOOR 1 1.0000
KUBAND 1 1.0000
POSTLAND 0 0.0000
SSMES 1 1.0000
ADTA 0 0.0000
PETD 0 0.0000
SETD 0 0.0000
ARMTILT 1 1.0000 1 1.0000
PRADIATOR 0 0.0000
SRADIATOR 0 0.0000
GEAR 0 0.0000
PAYLOAD_MASS1 3.0000
PAYLOAD_MASS2 0.0000
PAYLOAD_MASS3 0.0000
ARM_STATUS 0.5000 0.1122 0.0849 0.5000 0.5000 0.5000
ARM_SEQ1 0.5000 0.1852 0.1705 0.5208 0.5000 0.5000
ARM1SET
PL1_OFS 0.100 2.300 0.330
PL1_DIR 0.000 1.000 0.000
PL1_ROT 0.000 0.000 -1.000
PL2_OFS 2.850 2.150 3.850
PL2_DIR 0.000 1.000 0.000
PL2_ROT 1.000 0.000 0.000
PL3_OFS 0.100 2.300 -2.450
PL3_DIR 0.000 1.000 0.000
PL3_ROT 0.000 0.000 1.000
PL4_OFS -1.850 1.800 11.750
PL4_DIR 0.000 1.000 0.000
PL4_ROT 0.000 0.000 1.000
PL5_OFS 0.100 2.700 5.570
PL5_DIR 0.000 1.000 0.000
PL5_ROT 0.000 0.000 -1.000
PL6_OFS 0.100 2.300 1.500
PL6_DIR 0.000 1.000 0.000
PL6_ROT 0.000 0.000 1.000
ASSIST 135.000
END
Ultra_MPMs:spacecraft\spacecraft3
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497772.23 1442391.47 -6393841.44
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT 167.13 -12.74 -143.25
VROT -0.07 -0.00 0.00
ATTACHED 0:7,STS-127
NAVFREQ 0 0
RCS 1
CTRL_SURFACE 1
CONFIGURATION 1
CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
SEQ 0 2 0.999400
SEQ 1 -2 0.000000
END
Ultra_OBSS:spacecraft\spacecraft3
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497772.60 1442396.68 -6393836.65
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT 92.00 -55.30 -80.43
VROT -0.02 -0.00 0.06
ATTACHED 0:2,STS-127
NAVFREQ 0 0
RCS 1
CTRL_SURFACE 1
CONFIGURATION 1
CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
END
BridgeRail:127bridgerail
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497774.98 1442391.67 -6393839.65
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT 167.13 -12.74 -143.25
VROT -0.07 -0.00 0.00
ATTACHED 0:4,STS-127
END
JEM_porch:spacecraft\spacecraft3
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 1497774.77 1442391.69 -6393839.30
RVEL 4485.435 -6248.172 -350.309
AROT 167.13 -12.74 -143.25
VROT -0.07 -0.00 0.00
ATTACHED 0:0,STS-127
NAVFREQ 0 0
RCS 1
CTRL_SURFACE 1
CONFIGURATION 1
CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
END
END_SHIPS

BEGIN_ExtMFD
END
 
Please post the contents of your "Orbiter.log" file following one of the CTDs.
 
Hi David

I'm having the same problem. I'll post the orbiter.log and scenario at the end of this message. I have some other strangeness that I'll mention later. It could be because of other add-ons so I haven't pursued it much.

I've done some troubleshooting, and have gotten about as far as I can with it. Here's what I've done....
Fresh orbiter install
all required add-ons installed in the order specified in the docs. (fresh downloads for all)
made sure spacecraft3 was installed and verified working by installing another
simple spacecraft3 add-on and loaded that scenario. (flying winnebago by MrBatman)
Stripped vessels one at a time until the scenario worked.

The problem as far as I can tell is the spacecraft3 vessels. as soon as I add the JEM_BUS I get the CTD. I remember the ESP3 causing this problem
last (ISS) mission, but I was busy with the LRO/LCROSS docs at that time so I just deleted it and never mentioned it. JEM_BUS is the only spacecraft3 vessel in the scenario.

EDIT: I see now that JEMRMS is also spacecraft3 and it doesn't cause the
CTD, so I don't have a clue at this point why it happens.

Also, the launch pads (deleted in this scenario) are spacecraft3 and they don't cause the CTD.

The other issue I mentioned above is the payload offset parameters.
I see them in the initial scenario, but they don't seem to get written when
the scenario is exited. I haven't done detailed troubleshooting of this issue
and it could possibly be interaction with another addon or something.

I hope I have provided enough info here for you. Let me know if you need
anything else.


orbiter.log:
Code: 
**** Orbiter.log
Build Sep 29 2006 [v.060929]
Devices enumerated: 4
Devices accepted: 3
==> RGB Emulation
==> Direct3D HAL
==> Direct3D HAL (Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS,910GML Express Chipset Family)
Found 0 joystick(s)
Module DGConfig.dll [API v.060425]
Module AtlantisConfig.dll [API v.060425]
Module OrbiterSound.dll [API v.060425]
Module UniversalPointing.dll [API v.060425]
Module ScnEditor.dll [API v.060425]
Module Rcontrol.dll [API v.050206]
Module Meshdebug.dll [API v.060425]
Module GPCMFD.dll [API v.060425]
Module Framerate.dll [API v.050206]
Module FlightData.dll [API v.050206]
Module ExtMFD.dll [API v.060425]
Module CustomMFD.dll [API v.060425]
Module AutoFCS.dll [API v.050206]

**** Creating simulation session
DirectDraw interface OK
Direct3D interface OK
Zbuffer: 32 bit
Stencil buffer: 8 bit
Render device: Window 1018 x 736
Device has no hardware T&L capability
Module Sun.dll [API v.050206]
VSOP87(E) Sun: Precision 1e-006, Terms 554/6634
Module Mercury.dll [API v.050206]
VSOP87(B) Mercury: Precision 1e-005, Terms 167/7123
Module Venus.dll [API v.050206]
VSOP87(B) Venus: Precision 1e-005, Terms 79/1710
Module Earth.dll [API v.050206]
VSOP87(B) Earth: Precision 1e-008, Terms 2564/2564
Module Moon.dll [API v.041022]
ELP82: Precision 1e-005, Terms 116/829
Module Mars.dll [API v.060425]
VSOP87(B) Mars: Precision 1e-005, Terms 405/6400
Module Phobos.dll [API v.060425]
Module Deimos.dll [API v.060425]
Module Galsat.dll [API v.041022]
Module Jupiter.dll [API v.050206]
VSOP87(B) Jupiter: Precision 1e-006, Terms 1624/3625
Module Io.dll [API v.041022]
Module Europa.dll [API v.041022]
Module Ganymede.dll [API v.041022]
Module Callisto.dll [API v.041022]
Module Satsat.dll [API v.050206]
Module Saturn.dll [API v.060425]
VSOP87(B) Saturn: Precision 1e-006, Terms 2904/6365
Module Mimas.dll [API v.050206]
SATSAT Mimas: Terms 113
Module Enceladus.dll [API v.050206]
SATSAT Enceladus: Terms 33
Module Tethys.dll [API v.050206]
SATSAT Tethys: Terms 101
Module Dione.dll [API v.050206]
SATSAT Dione: Terms 59
Module Rhea.dll [API v.050206]
SATSAT Rhea: Terms 68
Module Titan.dll [API v.050206]
SATSAT Titan: Terms 100
Module Hyperion.dll [API v.050206]
SATSAT Hyperion: Terms 595
Module Iapetus.dll [API v.050206]
SATSAT Iapetus: Terms 605
Module Uranus.dll [API v.050206]
VSOP87(B) Uranus: Precision 1e-006, Terms 1827/5269
Module Miranda.dll [API v.060425]
Module Ariel.dll [API v.060425]
Module Umbriel.dll [API v.060425]
Module Titania.dll [API v.060425]
Module Oberon.dll [API v.060425]
Module Neptune.dll [API v.050206]
VSOP87(B) Neptune: Precision 1e-006, Terms 391/2024
Module Triton.dll [API v.060425]
Finished initialising world
Module ISS15A.dll [API v.060425]
Module SSRMS.dll [API v.060425]
Module Colombus.dll [API v.060425]
Module Spacecraft3.dll [API v.050206]
Module SoyuzTMA.dll [API v.060425]
Module HST.dll [API v.060425]
Module Shuttle.dll [API v.060425]

scenario file:
Code: 
BEGIN_DESC
Contains the latest simulation state.
END_DESC

BEGIN_ENVIRONMENT
  System Sol
  Date MJD 55035.8053078263
END_ENVIRONMENT

BEGIN_FOCUS
  Ship ISS
END_FOCUS

BEGIN_CAMERA
  TARGET ISS
  MODE Cockpit
  FOV 60.00
END_CAMERA

BEGIN_HUD
  TYPE Orbit
  REF Moon
END_HUD

BEGIN_MFD Left
  TYPE User
  MODE Interplanetary
  Scenario Old2
  MapMFD V5
  Reference Auto
  Target moon
  Center earth
  Data 0 1 2.454010446519835e-007 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 0 0
  MassLimit 1e+020
  CMode 0
  Config 0 0 0 0 8e+006 0
  ExtMode 0
  Periapis Moon
  END 
  CorMFD V4
  Reference Auto
  Target none
  Source none
  ActiveProg 0 1
  DataA 0 3 0 0 0 0
  DataB 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
  DVProg 0 0 0 1
  AdvConf 0 0 0 0 0
  Guidance 0
  END 
  EjectMFD V5
  Reference Auto
  Data 0 1 3 0 1 55029.73986411103 10
  Guidance 0
  END 
  BaseAprMFD V2
  Reference Auto
  Target none
  Source none
  DataA 0 0 120000 0.10821 0.366519 1 1 55029.73986411103 55029.73986411103 0
  DataB 0 3 0 1 0 1
  END 
  SlingMFD V4
  Reference Auto
  Source none
  Data 0 1 1 3 0 1 55029.73986411103 0
  END 
  LaunchMFD V4
  Target None
  Data 0 1 1 3 0 1 0
  END 
  CF1_DataA 1 0
  CF1_DataB 55029.7394197476 10 120000 2 20 150000
  CF1_SecTgt 
  mfdShare -1
  mfdProgram 4
END_MFD

BEGIN_MFD Right
  TYPE Orbit
  PROJ Ship
  FRAME Ecliptic
  ALT
  REF Earth
END_MFD


BEGIN_SHIPS
ISS:ISS15A
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS -6077346.29 -593468.39 2824865.88
  RVEL -1547.742 7319.223 -1803.023
  AROT -138.34 54.78 -111.35
  VROT 0.02 0.07 -0.08
  PRPLEVEL 0:0.518
  DOCKINFO 0:0,STS-127 2:0,SoyuzTMA14 3:0,SoyuzTMA15 7:0,JEM 10:0,Columbus
  IDS 0:588 100 1:578 100 2:568 100 3:476 100 4:478 100
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  XPDR 466
  P6 0.0000
  P4 0.2505
  SS 0.1222
  RAD 0.0000
  LIGHTS 0
  MBS -21.8000
END
MBS:MBS
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS -6077349.08 -593492.13 2824851.09
  RVEL -1547.742 7319.223 -1803.023
  AROT -138.34 54.78 -21.35
  VROT -0.07 0.02 -0.08
  ATTACHED 0:2,ISS
  NAVFREQ 0 0
END
SSRMS:SSRMS
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS -6077351.78 -593498.00 2824844.53
  RVEL -1547.742 7319.223 -1803.023
  AROT -30.62 12.12 -153.32
  VROT 0.02 -0.10 0.02
  ATTACHED 0:5,ISS
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  ARM_STATUS1 0.9751 0.3122 0.2098 0.5136
  ARM_STATUS2 0.6667 0.4907 0.5624
  ARM1_SEQ1 0.9632 0.3924 0.1749 0.4413
  ARM1_SEQ2 0.6667 0.4907 0.5624
  ARM1SET 
END
Kibo:Kibo
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS -6077372.27 -593469.77 2824858.35
  RVEL -1547.742 7319.223 -1803.023
  AROT -30.62 12.12 -33.32
  VROT 0.08 0.07 0.02
  DOCKINFO 0:1,JEM
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  XPDR 466
END
Columbus:Colombus
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS -6077362.56 -593479.80 2824848.85
  RVEL -1547.742 7319.223 -1803.023
  AROT 67.23 32.48 14.41
  VROT 0.08 -0.02 0.07
  DOCKINFO 0:10,ISS
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  XPDR 466
END
JEM:JEM
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS -6077369.52 -593469.71 2824853.08
  RVEL -1547.742 7319.223 -1803.023
  AROT 67.23 32.48 -165.59
  VROT -0.08 0.02 0.07
  DOCKINFO 0:7,ISS 1:0,Kibo
END
JEMRMS:spacecraft\spacecraft3
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS -6077376.26 -593463.86 2824857.02
  RVEL -1547.742 7319.223 -1803.023
  AROT 67.23 32.48 -165.59
  VROT -0.08 0.02 0.07
  ATTACHED 0:0,JEM
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  RCS 1
  CTRL_SURFACE 1
  CONFIGURATION 1
  CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
  SEQ 0 2 0.478450
  SEQ 1 -2 0.772217
  SEQ 2 2 0.208283
  SEQ 3 -2 0.735267
  SEQ 4 2 0.498150
  SEQ 5 -2 0.500000
  SEQ 6 -2 0.500000
END
Dextre:dextre
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS -6077362.30 -593470.42 2824851.62
  RVEL -1547.742 7319.223 -1803.023
  AROT -166.53 -31.88 -164.19
  VROT -0.08 0.03 -0.06
  ATTACHED 0:1,ISS
  NAVFREQ 0 0
END
DxS:dextreS
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS -6077363.91 -593470.09 2824850.52
  RVEL -1547.742 7319.223 -1803.023
  AROT 146.87 47.84 51.90
  VROT 0.07 -0.06 -0.03
  ATTACHED 1:1,Dextre
END
DxP:dextreP
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS -6077361.19 -593468.81 2824851.95
  RVEL -1547.742 7319.223 -1803.023
  AROT 87.03 -24.47 35.47
  VROT 0.03 -0.06 0.07
  ATTACHED 1:0,Dextre
END
DxPh:dextrePa
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS -6077360.81 -593467.71 2824852.16
  RVEL -1547.742 7319.223 -1803.023
  AROT 87.03 -24.47 35.47
  VROT 0.03 -0.06 0.07
  ATTACHED 0:0,DxP
END
DxSh:dextreSa
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS -6077364.88 -593469.62 2824850.02
  RVEL -1547.742 7319.223 -1803.023
  AROT 146.87 47.84 51.90
  VROT 0.07 -0.06 -0.03
  ATTACHED 0:0,DxS
END
SoyuzTMA14:SoyuzTMA
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS -6077336.54 -593458.45 2824858.27
  RVEL -1547.742 7319.223 -1803.023
  AROT -30.62 12.12 -123.32
  VROT 0.07 -0.08 0.02
  PRPLEVEL 0:0.724
  DOCKINFO 0:2,ISS
  NAVFREQ 466 568
  XPDR 466
  ARRAYS 1.000
  CONFIGURATION 0
END
HST:HST
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS 1645066.25 416582.72 -6741629.18
  RVEL 7053.051 2027.422 1852.756
  AROT -103.74 -22.92 -20.94
  VROT 0.01 -0.13 -0.08
  PRPLEVEL 0:0.998
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  ANT 0 0.0000
  HATCH 0 0.0000
  FOLD 1 1.0000
END
SoyuzTMA15:SoyuzTMA
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS -6077347.23 -593464.88 2824855.37
  RVEL -1547.742 7319.223 -1803.023
  AROT -30.62 12.12 -168.32
  VROT -0.01 -0.10 0.02
  PRPLEVEL 0:0.776
  DOCKINFO 0:3,ISS
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  XPDR 466
  ARRAYS 1.000
  CONFIGURATION 0
END
STS-127:Shuttle
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS -6077369.63 -593473.00 2824837.86
  RVEL -1547.742 7319.223 -1803.023
  AROT -30.62 12.12 56.68
  VROT -0.07 0.08 0.02
  RCSMODE 2
  PRPLEVEL 0:0.735
  DOCKINFO 0:0,ISS
  NAVFREQ 466 588
  CONFIGURATION 3
  OV- 105
  RENDER 
  RMSARM 
  ODS 
  CARGODOOR 1 1.0000
  KUBAND 0 0.0000
  POSTLAND 0 0.0000
  SSMES 1 1.0000
  ADTA 0 0.0000
  PETD 0 0.0000
  SETD 1 1.0000
  ARMTILT 0 0.0000 0 0.0000
  PRADIATOR 0 0.0000
  SRADIATOR 0 0.0000
  GEAR 0 0.0000
  PAYLOAD_MASS 0.0000
  ARM_STATUS 0.5000 0.0151 0.0162 0.5000 0.5000 0.5000
  SAT_OFS_X 0.000
  SAT_OFS_Y 0.000
  SAT_OFS_Z 0.000
  OMS 
  CALLOUT 
  ASSIST  133.000
END
JEM_BUS:spacecraft\spacecraft3
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS 4053193.75 5224635.63 1175607.79
  RVEL 1607.882 -2833.977 6979.376
  AROT 52.99 50.31 85.90
  VROT 0.00 -0.00 0.08
  ATTACHED 1:3,JEM
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  RCS 1
  CTRL_SURFACE 1
  CONFIGURATION 1
  CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
END
END_SHIPS

END
 
try JEM_BUS alone in a scenario, and make sure the attachment points are correct.
 
Thanks Donamy!

With JEM_BUS alone it works, and I've also added JEM, with JEM_BUS attached, which also works. I'll continue adding bits and pieces until
something happens.

This is going to be interesting, kind of like building the ISS backwards :lol:

I haven't changed anything about the attachment points
in the scn or cfg files, other than deleting vessels from the scenario until it works, so I assume
the attachment points are correct.

---------- Post added at 09:45 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:01 AM ----------

OK, this is very strange. I've built up everything according to what is
attached/docked to what, (the JEM_BUS bone's attached to the JEM bone.
the JEM_PORCH bone's attached to the JEM_BUS bone etc.) I remember there was a song about that :lol:

It all works. The only thing I can tell that is different is the order of the vessels in the .scn file. (other than that everything is there now.)

Do vessels that are attached to each other need to be next to each other in the .scn file? I usually add new stuff to the end of my current_reality.scn,
which contains a lot of other scrap metal (LRO/LCROSS, DAWN, Cassini, Herschel, Planck, spy, weather, and comm satellites, etc.etc.etc)

I'll take this whole ball of wax and paste it into my current_reality and see what happens.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!

EDIT: current reality works now. The payload offset problem is solved also. Thanks for your help and wonderful addons Dave and Donamy!

---------- Post added at 11:51 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:45 AM ----------

I'm really confused now.

I've taken the crashing scn and re-ordered it with attached things next
to each other and it still crashes, but not with jem_bus removed.

I want to understand *why* this happens so I don't pull the same stupid mistake in the future.

I'm going to take the crashing scn, re-order it in the exact same order
of the one that does work (omitting the external bits except for jem_bus... pump esp3 porch etc.) comparing each vessel line by line (ignoring rot and pos).

If it still crashes after I do this, I'll need serious psychiatric help! :lol:

---------- Post added at 02:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:51 AM ----------

It turns out that there are 2 different JEM vessels.

Code: 
JEM:JEM
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS -6118966.98 -380557.16 2770924.28
  RVEL -1315.857 7337.742 -1909.414
  AROT 69.69 31.32 -162.25
  VROT -0.08 0.02 0.07
  DOCKINFO 0:7,ISS 1:0,Kibo
END

works until you attach JEM_BUS to it.

Code: 
JEM:spacecraft\spacecraft3
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS 2774013.79 -6013060.31 1151691.47
  RVEL -4441.341 -855.649 6235.453
  AROT 92.99 -43.17 44.62
  VROT 0.11 -0.06 -0.06
  DOCKINFO 0:7,ISS 1:0,Kibo
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  RCS 1
  CTRL_SURFACE 1
  CONFIGURATION 1
  CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
  SEQ 0 -2 0.000000
  SEQ 1 -2 0.000000
  SEQ 2 -2 0.000000
END

MUST be used in order to attach JEM_BUS.
 
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---------- Post added at 10:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:18 PM ----------

ATTACHED 1:3,JEM

Where did you get this from ?
 
For what it's worth, I just created (from scratch) a new Orbiter installation with Orbitersound V3.5, then created an Expansion Pack installation, then added the STS-127 Expansion pack (latest from Orbithangar), then added the FD10 real-time scenario and it ran fine, no CTD, no problems, no re-arranging of the spacecraft3 items within the scenario. Stopped, then restarted using the "Current State" scenario that had been saved, still no problem.
 
Yes David,

I'm sure the problem arose from my useage of the the (probably old)
JEM:JEM

vessel, instead of the (probably newer)
JEM:spacecraft3

vessel.

Entirely my fault.

-Chris
 
So is the problem fixed ?
 
Yes

---------- Post added at 09:24 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:15 PM ----------

My question now is this:

What can I do, so that others do not run into this problem in the future.
My philosopy has alway been... don't just fix it... make it better!

How can I help?
 
Check my scenario. I don't have the Jem:jem. It's still not working for me. Any help?
 
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