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That's completely laughable -- it works out to 0.7EUR per citizen per year.
Don't laugh until you have a look at other their expenses. 0.7EUR per capita might mean a lot as well. Besides, 10 mil Euro / 1.326 mil citizens is 7.5 Euro per capita. Is it a lot? I don't know without knowing other expenses.

So there was a cost in lost productivity, which is not being accounted for.
True but if the project ultimately succeed, this would generate savings year by year, without the loss of productivity.

Other than that, good points on the business logic in Excel. That's how it is. Formulas could be portable, but VBA isn't.
 
Don't laugh until you have a look at other their expenses. 0.7EUR per capita might mean a lot as well. Besides, 10 mil Euro / 1.326 mil citizens is 7.5 Euro per capita.

...over 10 years, so EUR 0.7 per year. Actually even less, because we should be taking discounted values.

Is it a lot? I don't know without knowing other expenses.

Kraków, which half the size of Munich (and located in Poland, where everything is cheaper) has around 1B EUR budget per year (the 2014 budget is 3.8B PLN to be exact). So it would be 1% of the budget if you put it all into one year, or 0.1% if spread over 10 years.

True but if the project ultimately succeed, this would generate savings year by year, without the loss of productivity.

Unlikely. Over here, Windows + Office GOV MOLP will cost you EUR 400 -- ignoring any volume discounts. Assuming very conservatively that it has to be replaced every 5 years, it works out to 80 EUR per year -- or about 10 hours in wages per year. In other words, your Linux migration will be profitable if productivity impact is below 10h per year.

On the other hand, such initiatives tend to look good on paper -- this is because the IT budget is one thing, and non-IT personnel budget is another. So your IT budget drops, which looks good on paper. Now, the productivity will of course drop, which will necessitate increase in employment, so the non-IT budget will baloon. At this point, it boils down to whether the non-IT operations manager is conscious enough to realize the problem and able to confront the IT manager...
 
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I just watched Joe Belfiore's presentation and it really looks like a promising product. Microsoft learned from their errors and Windows 10 seems to respond to every critics. The only weird decision is the name. I understand the analogy with the "One Microsoft" of Ballmer and Nadella, but skipping Windows 9 will just confused the users in my opinion.
 
Shame Microsoft is trying to turn the PC into a tablet by insisting everyone move to a mobile type interface, it annoyed Windows 8 users, Windows 10 looks more of the same.
 
Shame Microsoft is trying to turn the PC into a tablet by insisting everyone move to a mobile type interface, it annoyed Windows 8 users, Windows 10 looks more of the same.

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Have you actually looked at the pictures? Windows 10 is a whole lot less of a "mobile type interface" than Windows 8 was.
 
Shame Microsoft is trying to turn the PC into a tablet by insisting everyone move to a mobile type interface, it annoyed Windows 8 users, Windows 10 looks more of the same.

It mostly annoyed people who spent 99% of their mental capacity learning to control a computer by mouse and keyboard (which is unnatural and complicated for our brain... moving the mouse forward for making the cursor move up) and suddenly made their most significant skills obsolete by just touching the bloody screen - if they have one.

I like Windows 8.1, never had a problem with it. The only issue I have is that the button for turning the computer off was well hidden before the patches and that locking the screen on a Surface Tablet is a bit more complicated than just pressing Windows + L.

The only real problem was Windows 8 was that it expected too much flexibility from the user - leaving a complicated and contradictory user interface convention behind for something logical. And then the united forces of the "We want the Windows back that we had been complaining about for years" forced Microsoft to reintroduce some inconsistences for pleasing them... luckily, Microsoft did not implement all their stupid demands in Windows 10, as it seems.
 
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I like Windows 8.1, never had a problem with it. The only issue I have is that the button for turning the computer off was well hidden before the patches and that locking the screen on a Surface Tablet is a bit more complicated than just pressing Windows + L.

Can't you just press the power button, like on most other tablets?
 
Can't you just press the power button, like on most other tablets?

Only turns of the screen, but does not lock the screen so that you need to enter the password again.
 
And the preview is out:
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That browser window looks quite weird with an empty title bar...
 
That's what IE has looked like for a long time. Several years...

Thanks. I don't know IE, I use it about once per year (to download FF on a clean system).
 
Haven't heard that one. I kind of doubt it, to be honest--not too many programmers were doing version check via string comparison.
 
So, they renamed Windows 9 into Windows 10 to avoid the confusion for those who still remember Windows 95 and 98? :lol:
 
Haven't heard that one. I kind of doubt it, to be honest--not too many programmers were doing version check via string comparison.

I would also not expect that kind of code... but then, the Windows SDK is full of C pre-processor macros with exactly the same kind of behaviour, that algorithm isn't that implausible to really just call it a joke. :lol:
 
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