"Warpholes" possible but with no interactivity?

[chris772]

I saw a show yesterday on the Discovery Science channel about a theory that you can open up a warphole big enough by stabalizing the space-time foam, then expanding it with massive ammounts of energy. If you could go back to when the machine was created, it probably would be impossible to interact with the world, or possibly even exist in it. When you go into it, then you would have to have seen it happen at the exact time the person in the future warped back. Then you must have seen that and gotten the idea and went in, but not knowing when you did. That would then create sort of a loop of time, because you would theoretically keep going back and foreward. The show said that there would probably be two spheres acting as worm holes. One hole would be at a normal pace, but one would be experiencing a slower time, effectively looping time back in on itself to that time inside the wormhole. The problem is, what would happen if you manipulated anything in the other time. There would be essentially a copy of you from the future inside the past section of time. If you manipulated yourself (ie: damaged your own skin on the you in the past), you must have that manipulation on yourself, because it already happened. The you in the past would not know you did it to yourself until the time came that you must go into the past time and make it reality. But what if you did see that manipulation in the past time, and then forbid yourself to do it in the future. You must do it in the future for you to have seen it in the past so it would be impossible to restrain yourself from it in the future. Abit of a long theory (I might have repeated some stuff, but it is a thread about things repeating ). Any speculation?

 

[thomasantony]

I saw a show yesterday on the Discovery Science channel about a theory that you can open up a warphole big enough by stabalizing the space-time foam, then expanding it with massive ammounts of energy. If you could go back to when the machine was created, it probably would be impossible to interact with the world, or possibly even exist in it. When you go into it, then you would have to have seen it happen at the exact time the person in the future warped back. Then you must have seen that and gotten the idea and went in, but not knowing when you did. That would then create sort of a loop of time, because you would theoretically keep going back and foreward. The show said that there would probably be two spheres acting as worm holes. One hole would be at a normal pace, but one would be experiencing a slower time, effectively looping time back in on itself to that time inside the wormhole. The problem is, what would happen if you manipulated anything in the other time. There would be essentially a copy of you from the future inside the past section of time. If you manipulated yourself (ie: damaged your own skin on the you in the past), you must have that manipulation on yourself, because it already happened. The you in the past would not know you did it to yourself until the time came that you must go into the past time and make it reality. But what if you did see that manipulation in the past time, and then forbid yourself to do it in the future. You must do it in the future for you to have seen it in the past so it would be impossible to restrain yourself from it in the future. Abit of a long theory (I might have repeated some stuff, but it is a thread about things repeating ). Any speculation?

My head switched off after the space-foam part. Do you mean the type you see in a bath tub?

~
Thomas

 

[pilotpercy]

are you refering to the grandfather paradox here? thats the one where if you went back in time and killed your grandfather when he was a boy would you still exist. you could say no, because if your grandfather was killed, your father woukd never have existed and neither would you. but if you didnt exsist then who killed your grandfather? no-one so you do exsist! but you killed your grandfather so you cant. so who killed.........i think ive just had a seasure lol

 

[SlyCoopersButt]

If the Grandfather paradox is even possible my personal calculation would be that even if you went back in time as little as 3 sec before you time traveled on the other side of the earth you may trigger a paradox. I think you'll cause a ripple of altered consequences that travels at the speed of light around the world which will be powerful enough to even alter your possible thoughts before doing the time travel. The odds of that happening are extremely high I believe. It's really too dangerous to even think about time travel at all if the paradox is possible. The future is much safer.

 

[pete.dakota]

The Grandfather Paradox (if that's what you're trying to explain; your post was hard to track) is the fundamental rationale as to why backwards time travel cannot happen. At least, not in the basic, stripped down Sci-Fi sense.

Documentary channels like to postulate outrageous scientific theories sometimes to draw in a larger audience. I expect a documentary outlining the science behind why back-ward time travel is impossible would be very boring to a lot of people.

 

[JamesG]

For all we know "time travel" happens all the time either naturally or artificially. If someone did go back in time and kill someone's grandfather, or otherwise manipulate the past, then history would be instantly revised (from our perspective) and we would be oblivious to the change. That someone would just never have existed and their actions and achievements either would not have occured or someone else would have them.

This leads to one logical "out" for the grandfather paradox. If you went back in time and killed your own grandfather, you would not have existed so you never go back to kill your granddad, but instead either someone else does or you went back and gave him a stock tip or the results of the all future baseball world series champions, thus giving your father and you the resources to build the time machine to go back and give your grandfather...
The "time-space continuum" is self-maintaining/repairing.

 

[Talon1]

I saw a show yesterday on the Discovery Science channel about a theory that you can open up a warphole big enough by stabalizing the space-time foam, then expanding it with massive ammounts of energy. If you could go back to when the machine was created, it probably would be impossible to interact with the world, or possibly even exist in it. When you go into it, then you would have to have seen it happen at the exact time the person in the future warped back. Then you must have seen that and gotten the idea and went in, but not knowing when you did. That would then create sort of a loop of time, because you would theoretically keep going back and foreward. The show said that there would probably be two spheres acting as worm holes. One hole would be at a normal pace, but one would be experiencing a slower time, effectively looping time back in on itself to that time inside the wormhole. The problem is, what would happen if you manipulated anything in the other time. There would be essentially a copy of you from the future inside the past section of time. If you manipulated yourself (ie: damaged your own skin on the you in the past), you must have that manipulation on yourself, because it already happened. The you in the past would not know you did it to yourself until the time came that you must go into the past time and make it reality. But what if you did see that manipulation in the past time, and then forbid yourself to do it in the future. You must do it in the future for you to have seen it in the past so it would be impossible to restrain yourself from it in the future. Abit of a long theory (I might have repeated some stuff, but it is a thread about things repeating ). Any speculation?

You want my speculation? It feels like this has been done to me!!:chair:
Head throbs, ow....ow....ow......