General Question Two VABs?

[autopilotman]

It's been like this for a while, but since I got 2010 Iv'e only just noticed it.

 

[Loru]

IMHO You've got two instances of KSC mesh in Config/Earth/Base/Canaveral.cfg

 

[autopilotman]

Here's the contents of that file

BASE-V2.0
Name = Cape Canaveral
Location = -80.675 +28.5208
Size = 1000
MapObjectsToSphere = TRUE
BEGIN_NAVBEACON
VOR KSCX -80.53835 28.43352 112.70 500
END_NAVBEACON
BEGIN_OBJECTLIST
BLOCK
 POS -85 0 27.5
 SCALE 30 20 15
 TEX1 Fcd07 1 1
 TEX2 Fcd07 1 1
 TEX3 Roof01 2 1
END
BLOCK
 POS -85 0 57.5
 SCALE 30 20 15
 TEX1 Fcd07 1 1
 TEX2 Fcd07 1 1
 TEX3 Roof01 2 1
END
BLOCK
 POS -113 0 -131
 SCALE 80 15 60
 ROT 45
 TEX1 Fcd11 7.5 1.5
 TEX2 Fcd11 7.5 1.5
 TEX3 Roof01 4 3
END
BLOCK
 POS -107 15 -125
 SCALE 40 5 40
 ROT 45
 TEX1 Fcd06 3.05 0.333
 TEX2 Fcd06 3.05 0.333
 TEX3 Roof01 2.5 0.333
END
BLOCK
 POS 390 0 286
 SCALE 40 15 30
 ROT 30
 TEX1 Fcd04 2 1
 TEX2 Fcd04 2 1
 TEX3 Roof01 2 3
END
BLOCK
 POS 400 0 268.5
 SCALE 80 7 40
 ROT 30
 TEX1 Fcd05 3 0.5
 TEX2 Fcd05 3 0.5
 TEX3 Roof01 4 2
END
BLOCK
 POS 15 0 -115
 SCALE 20 7 30
 ROT 45
 TEX1 Roof01 3 0.5
 TEX2 Roof01 4 0.5
 TEX3 Roof01 3 4
END
BLOCK
 POS 7 0 -142
 SCALE 30 20 40
 ROT 45
 TEX1 Fcd04 3.1 2
 TEX2 Fcd04 4.1 2
 TEX3 Roof01 3 4
END
HANGAR
 POS 110 0 100
 SCALE 24 8 30
END
HANGAR
 POS 150 0 100
 SCALE 24 8 30
END
HANGAR2
 POS -200 0 20
 SCALE 30 10 30
 ROT 45
 TEX1 Wall01 6 1
 TEX2 Wall01 6 1
 TEX3 Roof02 2 1
END
HANGAR2
 POS -225 0 -5
 SCALE 30 10 30
 ROT 45
 TEX1 Wall01 6 1
 TEX2 Wall01 6 1
 TEX3 Roof02 2 1
END
HANGAR2
 POS -250 0 -30
 SCALE 30 10 30
 ROT 45
 TEX1 Wall01 6 1
 TEX2 Wall01 6 1
 TEX3 Roof02 2 1
END
TANK
 POS -20 0 300
 SCALE 20 15 20
END
TANK
 POS -100 0 300
 SCALE 20 15 20
END
TANK
 POS -180 0 300
 SCALE 20 15 20
END
SOLARPLANT
 POS 366 0 546
 GRID 10 10
 ROT 30
 TEX Solpanel
END
TRAIN2
 END1 20 0 -120
 END2 -830 0 730
 HEIGHT 12
 MAXSPEED 50
 SLOWZONE 200
 TEX Hangrail 100
END
LPAD2A
 POS -218.39 0 -87.58
 ROT 45
 TEX Lpad02a
 NAV 128.10
END
LPAD2A
 POS -161.82 0 -31.01
 ROT 45
 TEX Lpad02a
 NAV 128.20
END
LPAD2A
 POS 0 0 46
 SCALE 0.75
 TEX Lpad02a
 NAV 132.05
END
LPAD2A
 POS 60 0 46
 SCALE 0.75
 TEX Lpad02a
 NAV 132.15
END
LPAD2A
 POS 120 0 46
 SCALE 0.75
 TEX Lpad02a
 NAV 132.25
END
LPAD2A
 POS 180 0 46
 SCALE 0.75
 TEX Lpad02a
 NAV 132.35
END
LPAD2A
 POS 30 0 -46
 SCALE 0.75
 TEX Lpad02a
 NAV 132.45
END
LPAD2A
 POS 90 0 -46
 SCALE 0.75
 TEX Lpad02a
 NAV 132.55
END
LPAD2A
 POS 150 0 -46
 SCALE 0.75
 TEX Lpad02a
 NAV 132.65
END
LPAD2A
 POS 210 0 -46
 SCALE 0.75
 TEX Lpad02a
 NAV 132.75
END
MESH
 FILE Tarmac2
 POS 0 0 0
 TEX taxiway2
 UNDERSHADOWS
 PRELOAD
END
MESH
 FILE vab
 OWNMATERIAL
 POS -6500 0 1900
 SHADOW
 PRELOAD
END
BLOCK
 POS -10000 0 -2000
 SCALE 80 15 60
 ROT 30
 TEX1 Fcd11 7.5 1.5
 TEX2 Fcd11 7.5 1.5
 TEX3 Roof01 4 3
END
BLOCK
 POS -9000 0 -1400
 SCALE 40 15 30
 ROT 30
 TEX1 Fcd04 2 1
 TEX2 Fcd04 2 1
 TEX3 Roof01 2 3
END
BLOCK
 POS -11500 0 -3000
 SCALE 40 15 30
 ROT 30
 TEX1 Fcd04 2 1
 TEX2 Fcd04 2 1
 TEX3 Roof01 2 3
END
MESH
 FILE KSC_8
 POS 0 -5 0
 TEX Cape23
 PRELOAD
END
MESH ; Pad 39B tower
 FILE KSC_3
 POS -11000 0 5050
 ROT 178
 TEX Cape18
 SHADOW
 PRELOAD
END
MESH ; Pad 39B base
 FILE KSC_4
 POS -11000 0 5050
 ROT 178
 TEX Cape19
 SHADOW
 PRELOAD
END
LPAD2
 POS -11001 0 5056
 ROT 90
 SCALE 0.1
 TEX Lpad02
END
RUNWAY
 END1 -7400 0 -850
 END2 -11970 0 -3490
 WIDTH 100
 ILS1 134.2
 ILS2 134.2
 RWTEX Runway2
 NRWSEG 15
 RWSEG1 1 0.025 0.5 0.75 1 0.852
 RWSEG2 1 0.025 0.5 0.75 1 0.852
 RWSEG3 1 0.007 0.5 0.75 0.852 0.7305
 RWSEG4 1 0.06 0.5 0.75 0.5 0.03125
 RWSEG5 1 0.007 0.5 0.75 0.7305 0.6133
 RWSEG6 1 0.1 0.5 0.75 0.5 0.03125
 RWSEG7 1 0.007 0.5 0.75 0.6133 0.5
 RWSEG8 6 0.538 0.5 0.75 0.5 0.03125
 RWSEG9 1 0.007 0.5 0.75 0.5 0.6133
 RWSEG10 1 0.1 0.5 0.75 0.03125 0.5
 RWSEG11 1 0.007 0.5 0.75 0.6133 0.7305
 RWSEG12 1 0.06 0.5 0.75 0.03125 0.5
 RWSEG13 1 0.007 0.5 0.75 0.7305 0.852
 RWSEG14 1 0.025 0.5 0.75 0.852 1
 RWSEG15 1 0.025 0.5 0.75 0.852 1
END
RUNWAYLIGHTS
 END1 -7400 -3 -850
 END2 -11970 -12 -3490
 WIDTH 100
 PAPI 20.0 3.0 -2000
 VASI 1.5 152 671
END
RUNWAY
 END1 7520 0 11500
 END2 5590 0 9030
 WIDTH 100
 ILS1 132.6
 ILS2 132.6
 RWTEX Runway2
 NRWSEG 9
 RWSEG1 1 0.018 0.25 0.5 1 0.875
 RWSEG2 1 0.088 0 0.25 0.5 0
 RWSEG3 1 0.018 0.25 0.5 0.75 0.625
 RWSEG4 1 0.088 0 0.25 0.5 0
 RWSEG5 5 0.576 0 0.25 1 0.5
 RWSEG6 1 0.088 0 0.25 0.5 0
 RWSEG7 1 0.02 0.25 0.5 0.625 0.75
 RWSEG8 1 0.088 0 0.25 0 0.5
 RWSEG9 1 0.02 0.25 0.5 0.875 1
END
RUNWAYLIGHTS
 END1 7520 -13 11500
 END2 5590 -7 9030
 WIDTH 100
END
END_OBJECTLIST
BEGIN_SURFTILELIST
1 -232 82 1
1 -232 81 1
1 -232 80 1
1 -231 82 3
1 -231 81 1
1 -231 80 1
1 -230 80 3
2 -460 164 3
2 -460 163 3
3 -920 325 1
3 -920 324 1
3 -920 323 1
3 -919 325 1
3 -919 324 1
3 -919 323 1
3 -918 326 3
3 -918 325 3
3 -918 324 1
3 -918 323 1
3 -917 325 3
3 -917 324 3
3 -917 323 3
END_SURFTILELIST

 

[Loru]

Have you installed something like Hi-Res KSC, AMSO or something that changes KSC enviroment?

 

[orb]

There is nothing in that configuration file, that appears to be another VAB - all mesh entries are the ones from the stock configuration file for Cape Canaveral.

But, there can be 2 different configuration files for this location in the "Config/Earth/Base" folder (for example, I use this method on my computer to add things to base for testing, without editing the original file).

Check other base configuration files in "Config/Earth/Base", if they use coordinates around 28.5 N, 80.7 W, and might use a mesh that appears to be a VAB mesh.

The stock mesh for VAB uses "FILE vab" property, and the another one looks differently on your screenshot, so it can be from some add-on, and the mesh file will be named differently.

 

[autopilotman]

I Do have AMSO installed, but no hi-res ksc textures

 

[Loru]

IIRC AMSO has separarte base config file. Look into Config/Earth/Base folder and try to find it (don't have AMSO so I can't tell you exact filename)

 

[autopilotman]

The Canaveral.cfg for Project X-15 uses the VAB mesh. Can I just delete that section of code?

 

[Loru]

Instead of deleting try to ad semi-colons before the section

;MESH
 ;FILE vab
 ;OWNMATERIAL
 ;POS -6500 0 1900
 ;SHADOW
 ;PRELOAD
;END

Like this

 

[autopilotman]

I put semi-colons in both the AMSO and X-15 canaveral.cfg's. No change.

 

[orb]

The AMSO has Canaveral.cfg in a subdirectory i.e "Configuration/Earth/Base/AMSO", and it shouldn't interfere with stock Canaveral.cfg.

The Cape Canaveral surface tiles from the screenshot look like they are from Orbiter 2006, and not 2010. Maybe something replaced them, but it wasn't AMSO (at least not version 1.19).

Something else than AMSO or X-15 messed your Earth bases configuration files. The bright VAB looks like the one from Orbiter 2010, and the gray one could be from some add-on.


What other add-ons changing Earth have you installed?

 

[autopilotman]

I think only NASSP and Earth 1962.

 

[orb]

I downloaded onto this computer and checked the archives of NASSP 6.4 and 7.0, Earth 1962, X-15, and AMSO 1.19, and I didn't find either surface tiles for Cape Canaveral that could change the appearance of KSC, or a mesh that appears to be VAB, but I couldn't check them in Orbiter, because I don't have it on this computer and I can't install it here.

If it isn't resolved sooner than I'm back at home, I can check all of these add-ons in a running simulation later, but I think it's neither of them.


Maybe try a clean installation of Orbiter?

 

[autopilotman]

Maybe try a clean installation of Orbiter?

Yeah, perhaps a clean install would be good. However the VAB problem is not a really serious issue, I suppose I can live with it.

 

[jinglesassy]

Can you get a closer-up picture of it and in full daylight please?

 

[autopilotman]

The first one is with an X-R2 scenario, the other with a stock DG.

Note the transparency difference.

 

[orb]

Note the transparency difference.

I was mistaken. They are the same models using the same mesh file. I see a z-buffer fighting between cloud shadows and the VAB that is at south, and this causes that VAB to be much darker on the other shots, i.e. it isn't transparency, but shadows of clouds are rendered on it. If you disable cloud shadows, VABs will have the same brightness.


Try this to identify if there is another VAB in configuration files of Earth bases:

1. Create a new text file in the Orbiter folder.
2. Open the file for edit, by double clicking on it.
3. Copy the below code:
   

   find /i /n "FILE vab" "Config\Earth\Base\*" > Earth_vab_files.log

4. Paste it to the opened text file.
5. Close the file saving changes.
6. Rename the file by changing its extension to ".cmd". This may require changing folder display options to show file extensions.
7. Execute the file you just renamed, by double-clicking on it, or pressing enter when it's highlighted.
8. Open the newly created in Orbiter's folder "Earth_vab_files.log", copy its contents, and post them in this thread, by pasting them between [code][/code] tags.

This will show (with line numbers) if any other file in the Config/Earth/Base folder contains a mesh entry that uses "vab.msh" file.



You can also check if your default "Earth.cfg" seeks for bases in only one or more directories. The stock one should have only this:

; === Surface Bases ===
; place additional bases or
; base directories in this list
BEGIN_SURFBASE
DIR Earth\Base
END_SURFBASE

If there are more "DIR" entries than the default "DIR Earth\Base", try commenting them out and check if the shadow VAB still persists.

 

[autopilotman]

Here's the contents of the Earth_vab_files.log

---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\ALCANTARA.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\AL_ANBAR.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\ARD_SPLASHDOWN.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\ASCENSION.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\BAIKONUR.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\BAIKONUR_LC1.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\BARENT_SEA.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\CANAVERAL.CFG
[200] FILE vab
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\CHINA_LAKE.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\CSG-ZL4.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\DOBERAI.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\EDWARDS.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\GRAN_CANARIA.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\HABANA.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\HAMMAGUIRA.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\INYOKEN.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\JINGYU.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\JIUQUAN.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\KAGOSHIMA.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\KAPUSTIN_YAR.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\KOUROU.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\KOUROU_CSG.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\KURA.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\MATAGORDA.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\MUSUDAN.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\OVERBERG.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\PALMACHIM.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\PEENEMUNDE.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\PLESETSK.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\SALTO_DI_QUIRRA.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\SAN_MARCO.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\SMELOVKA.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\SRIHARIKOTA.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\SVOBODNIY.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\TAIYUAN.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\TANEGASHIMA.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\VANDENBERG.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\WALLOPS_ISLAND.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\WHITE_SANDS.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\WOOMERA.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\WUZHAI.CFG
---------- CONFIG\EARTH\BASE\XICHANG.CFG

 

[jinglesassy]

Could you post a copy of your Config\Earth\Base\Canaveral please

 

[autopilotman]

Could you post a copy of your Config\Earth\Base\Canaveral please

It's on the first page.