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Not being noted:

Aboard the launch vehicle was also a Dutch coin. It's a special coin created because we will have a new king in a couple of days. It's expected to orbit earth for a few years before burning up in the atmosphere.

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Today another Chinese satellite was launched into space - a revenge against the last Chinese launch failure (in 2011 - precisely on my birthday after a Proton failed earlier that day! :rolleyes:) - for this military satellite is a replacement for the one lost on that launch in August 2011. Details coming soon on this forum....


NASASpaceflight.com: China’s Long March 2C launches Shijian 11-05
 

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Ah, a "developing countries" space station would be something interesting.
 

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Aviation Week: Chinese Super-Heavy Launcher Designs Exceed Saturn V:
Chinese engineers are proposing a Moon rocket more powerful than the Saturn V of the Apollo missions and matching the payload of NASA's planned Space Launch System (SLS) Block 2, the unfunded launcher that would put the U.S. back into super-heavy space lift.

Drawing up preliminary designs for the giant Long March 9 launcher, Chinese launch vehicle builder CALT has studied configurations remarkably similar to those that NASA considered in looking for the same capability: to lift 130 metric tons (287,000 lb.) to low Earth orbit (LEO). One of the two preferred Chinese proposals has a similar configuration to the design finally adopted for SLS Block 2, though the takeoff mass for both CALT concepts, 4,100-4,150 tons, is greater. On that measure, at least, China wants to build the largest space launcher in history.

Preliminary work is underway for the intended engines. At the Xian Space Propulsion Institute, engineers are certainly planning and probably doing risk-reduction work for a kerosene-fueled engine, apparently called YF-660, that would be comparable to the 690 tons thrust of the Saturn V's F-1. The Beijing Aerospace Propulsion Institute, meanwhile, is working on critical technologies for a 200-ton-thrust liquid-hydrogen engine that would be used for the first stage of one launcher design and for the second stage of both. That engine is apparently called the YF-220.

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Credit: Beijing Aerospace Propulsion Institute​


Comparison with current launchers and engines highlights the scale of China's ambitions: Whereas U.S. SLS engineers are aiming at a 10% increase on the throw weight of the Saturn V and would use mainly familiar propulsion technology, CALT's super-heavy launcher would have 10 times the throw weight of anything that China now has in service, and would be four times bigger than even the largest rocket it is developing—the Long March 5. The YF-660 engine would be five times as powerful as the biggest engine China has so far built, one that has not yet flown.

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Space Daily: What's Next, Tiangong?:
Earlier this year, signs appeared that China was reshuffling its Tiangong space laboratory program. The first Tiangong lab module was launched in 2011, and two astronaut crews lived aboard it. The Tiangong 1 laboratory has now completed its mission of demonstrating the basic technologies required for a space station and is expected to re-enter any time now.

China's original plan called for three Tiangong laboratories, with the next ones each successively more advanced than its predecessor. Tiangong 3 would be the final step before China launched the first module of the Chinese Space Station, a large modular structure that should be completed around 2020.

The plan sounded logical. China would steadily improve its capabilities for a permanent base in space, just as it had steadily improved its Shenzhou crew-carrying spacecraft. Then changes appeared in media reports and technical presentations. As has happened before, China did not explicitly spell out its plans, and analysts were forced to try to make sense of a rough collage of facts and figures.

After a conference presentation by China's first astronaut, this analyst (and others) concluded that China had telescoped the Tiangong program. It seemed that China would delete the intermediate-stage Tiangong 2 module and go straight for the advanced Tiangong 3, which would now be re-branded as the new Tiangong 2.

There could have been good reason for this. Tiangong 1 was highly successful, and China could have decided that their technology was ready for a larger step. Deleting an intermediate module would save time and money for the program. Such a revised program made sense and it was easy to accept that this would happen.

Now, this analyst is highly confused about what is really happening with the Tiangong program. And so are other analysts outside of China. Will there be one or two more Tiangongs? What will they (or it) be like? How many docking ports will they (or it) have? Will there be refueling experiments with a cargo vessel? All of these questions are being asked, but it's hard to obtain or even deduce solid answers.

There have been intriguing reports and video clips circulating in the Chinese media. But the recent International Astronautical Congress in Beijing failed to clear up the confusion about their program. The more material circulated, the less clear the situation becomes. Why all the uncertainty?

This analyst is beginning to believe that there's a simpler explanation for the Tiangong reshuffle. The Chinese themselves are still revising their plans and haven't settled on a final outcome.

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