Rant The hypocrisy of Jobs

[Ghostrider]

I don't mind getting a proper burial... of course, together with my defeated enemies, so they will be my servants in afterlife...

What about a nuclear Viking funeral within 1km range of everybody you don't like? Now that would be awesome.

 

[Cras]

This thread has gotten silly

 

[dgatsoulis]

I think that this thread should break off, to something named, eternal life and how to achieve it -if you want. (And why).

 

[jangofett287]

"... And a bit suspect I think..."

 

[Cras]

jangofett, you hit my reference right on nose. Now you know why they call me "Two Sheads".

 

[jedidia]

This is going off topic here, but I can think of ways to get a camel through the eye of a needle... but none of them are particularly nice to the camel.

I think that's exactly the point Jesus was trying to make... :lol:

 

[Lucy]

This is getting very off-topic even for the off-topic forums. Let's nudge it back towards the original concept (which I have no knowledge of and thus nothing to add ).

Jobs' transplant seems to me to just underline the "univeral lubricant" ideal of money, though. It doesn't matter who you are or your circumstances; if you can pay enough, you can get pretty much whatever you want. Not my preferred stance on social justice and healthcare provision.

I imagine as well that another patient, waiting on the transplant list, might have really benefitted from that organ. Power begets selfishness, I suppose...

 

[Hielor]

I imagine as well that another patient, waiting on the transplant list, might have really benefitted from that organ. Power begets selfishness, I suppose...

That, and I'm sure that the donor would've been none to happy to find out where their liver went.

That said, there are some Apple fanboys who would've been happy to have their liver go to prolonging Jobs's life, even at the cost of someone else...

 

[Turbinator]

Steve Jobs used a loophole in the UNOS registration system to get his liver

Having a private jet on stand-by allowed him to register for a liver transplant in every transplant clinic in the country.

Read more:

http://digitaljournal.com/article/274846

http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...2011/01/how_did_steve_jobs_get_his_liver.html http://www.poe-news.com/forums/sp.php?pi=1002544768





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[Urwumpe]

Oh, what a pity.

Hey, this guy has a Bugatti, he doesn't deserve it as well. It should be clearly illegal to own one when not at least 50% of the population can drive the same car, if they want to.

 

[Turbinator]

The devil here is not in buying Bugatti's. The devil is in the fact that people with money can skip something like a donor line, and get transplants ahead of others in the queue; in a first-world nation. A shining beacon of hope, democracy, and human rights. The bringer of piece and world order.

It's just to bad that there is one thing that all the money in the world can't buy...





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[Urwumpe]

The devil here is not in buying Bugatti's. The devil is in the fact that people with money can skip something like a donor line, and get transplants ahead of others in the queue; in a first-world nation. A shining beacon of hope, democracy, and human rights. The bringer of piece and world order.

It's just to bad that there is one thing that all the money in the world can't buy...

So, if I go to the shorter row at the supermarket instead of waiting in the longest one, I am just like Steve Jobs? Cool.

 

[Linguofreak]

I'm no fan of Jobs, but I frankly don't see the problem here. Sure, he ended up getting a transplant that somebody else in Tennessee would have gotten, but he was also one *less* person on the more crowded waiting list back in California.

To play devil's advocate: It could even be argued that those living in regions with long waiting lists with the resources to register in areas with shorter waiting lists have a *duty* to register elsewhere to help balance the load.

 

[garyw]

To play devil's advocate: It could even be argued that those living in regions with long waiting lists with the resources to register in areas with shorter waiting lists have a *duty* to register elsewhere to help balance the load.

To be fair you could say that the system is broken and that a central donar list makes far more sense. i.e. the person that has the most need + highest survival chance gets it - no matter where in the USA they are.

Of course, this would mean a private jet being kept on standby at taxpayers expense but it is the fairest system.

 

[Turbinator]

As a result of this UNOS has revised their registration policy to prevent future abuse. You are no longer able to register in every state. Because what are the persons who used up all of their savings on medical expenses; instead of emergency standby air transport, to do?

You can not have a two-tiered health system, and have it be fair. That in itself is a logical fallacy.

 

[Linguofreak]

Of course, this would mean a private jet being kept on standby at taxpayers expense but it is the fairest system.

If it's government owned, isn't it a public jet? [/nitpick]

 

[garyw]

Well, knowing Governments it would probably be outsourced so it would be a companies private jet loaned for public use.

 

[Turbinator]

I guess that the reason behind my strong emotions in this subject matter is due to the fact that in Canada, we have a publicly-funded one tiered health care system. Can you imagine the uproar if such a thing where possible in Canada?

 

[garyw]

Seriously? You mean you don't have people in Canada flying to other countries and paying for treatment that they can get in Canada but only after a long wait?

 

[Linguofreak]

As a result of this UNOS has revised their registration policy to prevent future abuse. You are no longer able to register in every state. Because what are the persons who used up all of their savings on medical expenses; instead of emergency standby air transport, to do?

Hope that someone in front of them leaves the waiting list? Which is actually more likely if someone in front of them can use emergency air transport to get a transplant elsewhere than if they can't.

I'm really more concerned about the fact that Jobs' cancer may not have made him the best candidate for a transplant than about the fact that he used his resources to find a short waiting list to obtain the transplant.

You can not have a two-tiered health system, and have it be fair. That in itself is a logical fallacy.

You can't really have a system where their are more people needing organs than available organs and have it be fair. Life, in general, is not fair.

Now, a two-tiered health system is certainly not as fair as an otherwise identical one-tier system. But when they are *not* otherwise identical, it is not necessarily true that the one-tier system will be fairer.

A load-balanced one-tier system will indeed be fairer than a load-balanced two-tier system, but I'm not convinced that a one-tier system that is not load balanced is necessarily fairer than a two-tier system that is. (Why should it be easier for people in a given situation to get a transplant in Tennessee than for the same people in California?).