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[MattBaker]

And if I recall correctly, according to canon she's potentially a minor. :uhh:

That sadly never stopped Japan...

 

[TMac3000]

I thought about starting a thread for this...but it's probably not worthy of one.

I was reading back through an old thread about which planets you could theoretically survive on without a space suit. It got me to thinking about a classification system I invented for describing planetary habitability and survivability:

Type 1a world--Airless bodies, little to no geologic activity. Lacks any resources to support human life. Examples: Mercury, the Moon.

Type 1b--Conditions are actively hostile to human (and probably any other type) life. A human would quickly die even with a space suit and other significant protection. Examples: Venus, Io, all gas giants

Type 2--Semi-Earth-like. Like 1a, but with sufficient atmosphere to produce a colored sky. Lacks resources to support human life, but environmental conditions may permit short-term survival without a full space suit. Examples: Mars

Type 3--Earth-like. No space suit needed. Different environmental factors may require breathing equipment and/or or some form of protection (UV, radiation, toxicity, etc).

There needs to be some "fudge factor" inherent in this system, and some worlds may have more than one classification. For example:

Mercury would be a class-1a world on the night side, but class-1b in full daylight.

Titan could be classed as either 1a or 1b depending on whether one regards the extreme cold as an active hazard, or simply a lack of heat energy needed to survive. It could even be debated as a class-2 because of the atmosphere, although I personally would argue it as a 1a.

Thoughts?

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And if I recall correctly, according to canon she's potentially a minor. :uhh:

Doesn't matter, if she's not real. The creators set her age--they could make her 25 and have her look exactly the same, and she'd be fair game for ogling That's why I don't feel bad looking at Miku in a sexual way, even though she's canoned at 16 (Dat ass...:lol

 

[Artlav]

Examples: Venus, Io, all gas giants

Not sure about Io - isn't it just volcanically active, without being instantly lethal in most places?

Examples: Mars

More like Titan or Venus clouds.
Martian atmosphere makes pretty much zero difference for spacesuit-less survival, it might as well be the Moon.
Titan, on the other hand, can be survivable for a bit longer with a breathing kit and very thick clothes.
Not much longer, however - convection is going to get you.

Venus above-cloud level is the closest example - poisonous atmosphere, but Earth-like pressure and temperature. You can survive in a haz-mat suit and a breathing kit for a while.

However, that makes class 3 redundant.

Maybe it's better to classify along lethal/pressure suit/no pressure suit line?

That sadly never stopped Japan...

Age of consent is 13 there, AFAIR.
So, not a minor as far as they are concerned.

 

[Urwumpe]

Not sure about Io - isn't it just volcanically active, without being instantly lethal in most places?

Not by itself, but it is inside the huge radiation belt of Jupiter.

 

[TMac3000]

Not sure about Io - isn't it just volcanically active, without being instantly lethal in most places?

Ah, you are right about this--Io could be considered a 1a environment, because it is open to space--but the definition of 1a precludes significant geologic activity. That leaves it as 1b, even though a space suit could protect you as long as you stay away from the volcanos.

Martian atmosphere makes pretty much zero difference for spacesuit-less survival, it might as well be the Moon.

You make a good case here, although that isn't what people were saying in the old "shirt-sleeves" thread...going without a suit on Mars would be extremely dangerous--but you could survive long enough to justify doing so in an extreme emergency (like if you had to get to another dome to save a heart attack victim or something, and no suit was handy). Some insane dare-devil might try it for fun, but only once:shifty:

In any case, an atmosphere substantial enough to be visible, and create weather patterns, is enough to make Mars a class 2.

Regarding Venus, this system only considers surface conditions--every world with more than 1 bar at the surface has a 1-bar level somewhere. This means that, although I originally put the gas giants in the 1b class, they would actually have no classification--just "gas giant"

Titan, as I said, is the tricky one. The atmosphere makes you want to say 2...but the horrific cold makes you want to say 1b...but the fact that cold is a passive element, not an active one like lighting or extreme heat, makes you want to say 1a. If this system ever came into use, we might have to leave that one to the IAU:lol:

From a purely literal look at the definitions, I lean toward 1a for Titan.

EDIT: But 1a worlds can't have any atmosphere:facepalm:
So Titan would be debatable between 1b or 2. I would side with the 1b crowd

As for class 3 being redundant, it is defined as a world where environmental differences from Earth are either non-existent, or so minor that you would need some compensation like a breathing mask but not much else. Look up Planet in Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri--that's a class 3

 

[jedidia]

Doesn't matter, if she's not real.

Actually, by most laws, it DOES matter. In switzerland, depiction of sexual acts (and consumption of same) with children is forbidden in any form whatsoever.

You make a good case here, although that isn't what people were saying in the old "shirt-sleeves" thread...going without a suit on Mars would be extremely dangerous--but you could survive long enough to justify doing so in an extreme emergency

You can justify that even in pure vacuum (see spaceodyssey 2001 for one of the more famous examples). Fact is, there's not much difference between the martian atmosphere and hard vacuum for the purposes of survival. You're going to need a throurough checkup on internal hemorages and serious radiation treatment after a few seconds of exposure.

Titan, as I said, is the tricky one. The atmosphere makes you want to say 2...but the horrific cold makes you want to say 1b...but the fact that cold is a passive element, not an active one like lighting or extreme heat, makes you want to say 1a.

Cold is a tricky thing. In a significant atmosphere, cold could very well be argued to be an active factor... and indeed cold in an atmosphere is much more of a problem than cold in a vacuum, as long as you keep on your feet. In a vacuum, the only loss of heat is what you radiate away, while an atmosphere draws the warmth out of you.

In general, your classification should acommodate temperature and radiation, otherwise it won't be very useful.

 

[PhantomCruiser]

We had a problem when I was stationed in Memphis about a sailor picking up a girl at a club. She wound up being underage (she didn't look it). He walked because (1) she was in a bar, drinking (2) her fake ID was really good, (3) she'd done this kind of thing before.

She was in a bar, trolling for guys. It doesn't make it right, but she was surely in the wrong. His legal rep argued that he could logically assume she was of legal age given the circumstances.

 

[RisingFury]

Type 1b--Conditions are actively hostile to human (and probably any other type) life. A human would quickly die even with a space suit and other significant protection. Examples: Venus, Io, all gas giants

It's not like there's no place on Io that you could possibly stay. The way I see it, the main problem with Galilean moons is the very intensive radiation from Jupiter.

As for gas giants, just because they don't have a surface to stand on, doesn't mean you couldn't float at a particular altitude.


Type 2--Semi-Earth-like. Like 1a, but with sufficient atmosphere to produce a colored sky. Lacks resources to support human life, but environmental conditions may permit short-term survival without a full space suit. Examples: Mars[/quote]

Mars is about as hospitable to human life as empty space is. It may have enough atmosphere to produce a colored sky, to allow for erosion and sand storms, but the surface pressure is about 1000 Pa. It's 100 000 Pa on Earth. That's equivalent to about 30 km altitude on Earth.

What little air there is is toxic. 96% CO2.

The only thing you've got going for you is that it's not as cold as space is. It's......... slightly........... warmer.

Type 3--Earth-like. No space suit needed. Different environmental factors may require breathing equipment and/or or some form of protection (UV, radiation, toxicity, etc).

And hope that the atmosphere doesn't cause problems when coming in contact with skin. Like maybe high concentration of some nasty acid. Hydrogen Fluoride (HF), Hydrogen Chloride (HCl) or others, such as those present in trace amounts in the atmosphere of Venus.

Titan could be classed as either 1a or 1b depending on whether one regards the extreme cold as an active hazard, or simply a lack of heat energy needed to survive.

Surviving on Earth's poles during the winter is already an extreme hazard. And Earth has an atmosphere you can breathe...


Perhaps we should not try to classify planets by squeezing them into a fixed number of classes or types and instead take them "as they are".

We can't even classify the planets in our own solar system. Each has such unique features.

Terrestrials:
Mercury's a hot rock.
Venus has an abnormally thick atmosphere.
Earth has life and a very rich chemistry.
Mars is somewhere in between, but may have been more Earth like in the past.

Gas giants:
Jupiter is big, relatively dense and imposing.
Saturn is the least dense of all the planets and has a young ring system.
Uranus and Neptune seem the most similar to each other, but we really don't know much about them.

Icy bodies:
They seem similar at first sight, but we really don't know much about them.


Let's not even try to mention other solar systems.
Oh and have a look at THAT:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSR_B1257+12

Yes, 3 planes orbiting a PULSAR were the first three extrasolar planets ever discovered.

 

[TMac3000]

Actually, by most laws, it DOES matter. In switzerland, depiction of sexual acts (and consumption of same) with children is forbidden in any form whatsoever.

Well, I was talking more in a moral sense than a de jure one. Dammit, Crypton, change Miku's age to 22, so I can keep looking!:lol:

Perhaps we should not try to classify planets by squeezing them into a fixed number of classes or types and instead take them "as they are".

We can't even classify the planets in our own solar system. Each has such unique features.

This is true...but my system is more of a "deadliness" scale measured at the surface, if there is one. "This place will kill you, period" --> "This place will kill you without a space suit" --> "This place will kill you without the right protective equipment" --> "This place will not kill you, but the conditions can still you up if you don't take precautions"

 

[ISProgram]

O_O

I'm lost. How did talking about anime suddenly switch to....um...talking about...that s-word...no...um...

DAMMIT! ANIME IS REAL! :blink:

 

[TMac3000]

O_O

I'm lost. How did talking about anime suddenly switch to....um...talking about...that s-word...no...um...

Fan service? Dude...like three-quarters of anime is dedicated to it. Some animes are about nothing but sex. And in even in the ones that aren't, good grief some of those girls are hot

DAMMIT! ANIME IS REAL!

I feel your pain. I so wish it was...

 

[PhantomCruiser]

Krieger! Pay attention!

 

[Artlav]

I so wish it was...

Uhhhhh.
NOPE. Nopenoopenopenopenope.

 

[Andy44]

The only kind of planet classification I know is Class M...thank you Mr. Spock, from the very first Star Trek episode.

What I'd like to see in real life are these TV show/movie planets which are basically just one part of Earth writ large. For example, Endor is ALL forest, Hoth is ALL arctic, Tatooine is ALL desert, as is Vulcan, and so on. One wonders how the ecosystems on such planets work, given that they all have fairly human-friendly environments requiring no pressure suits...

Heck, even Mars has severe differences in environment based on latitude, even Luna if drive into a polar crater. But Endor? Nope, all giant trees and silly teddy bear things that somehow throw rocks hard enough to knock you out through an armored helmet...

 

[ISProgram]

The only kind of planet classification I know is Class M...thank you Mr. Spock, from the very first Star Trek episode.

I only know Sudarsky Class II...

 

[mojoey]

Krieger! Pay attention!

God this thread is like rolling probable cause.

 

[Pipcard]

Why I don't trust pictures of nebulae.

(although I do touch up my Orbiter screenshots by adding contrast)

 

[Izack]

Doesn't matter, if she's not real. The creators set her age--they could make her 25 and have her look exactly the same, and she'd be fair game for ogling That's why I don't feel bad looking at Miku in a sexual way, even though she's canoned at 16 (Dat ass...:lol

Besides real legal issues, if her body is all you care about...

Age of consent is 13 there, AFAIR.
So, not a minor as far as they are concerned.

Her age is given as between 10 and 20, so she could still a minor even there.

It's funny, seeing how famously sexualising the fandom is of a game series with absolutely ZERO canon sexualisation or fanservice. People make me sad sometimes.

*Descends from soapbox.*

 

[Andy44]

Um, it's a cartoon, so...you're basically fantasizing about something drawn by some other perverted dude who fantisized about it before he even drew it, who lives in a country where dudes are so nerdy they marry fictional characters despite being surrounded by beautiful women.

Something wierd about that.

Not to mention that if real women had the stylized faces of those cartoons they'd be extremely creepy looking. Case in point:

 

[Pipcard]

a country where dudes are so nerdy they marry fictional characters despite being surrounded by beautiful women.

Excuse me, but Miku is even more beautiful.

Not to mention that if real women had the stylized faces of those cartoons they'd be extremely creepy looking.

But I agree with that (it's the uncanny valley effect). So I prefer cosplay with regular faces.