First item on the agenda, regarding the documentary I watched...
From what I've read on the internet, this sounds like a pretty low-quality film, a "shocktumentary" based on sensationalism. It also sounds pretty racist and pretty patriarchalist.
I cannot recall that aspect of it, I was about 10 at the time. My memories of it have to do with sections that involved poaching activity. That alone was the reason for my mention of it. If it has racist undertones then I am not ashamed in offering my absolute and sincere apologies for it's mention, as I have no desire or inclination to promote that subject. That you may be feeling ruffled about the reference is completely justifiable. I am in no conceivable way racist. I have lived my 4/5 of my life out of the country where I was born and get along just fine. I have, however, seen other people from Europe and the USA, with high altruistic morals about racism and mutual understanding between cultures, etcetera, arrive for a spell of work here in Ecuador, eventually drop their heads into their hands in resignation and cry out something to the effect of; "Oh, these damned people!". That amuses me somewhat.
How can you call the state of love "unbalanced" or "obessive"? Would you next deride anger, or happiness?
...a chemically unbalanced, obsessive state of the brain MIS-NAMED as love. Please be more careful with your reading, as this does seem to have all the appearances of you attempting to scapegoat me. It seems there is some filtering in your absorption of information due to some predisposition of some sort. Sorry, but I am not going to partake in what you are doing.
Now I hate having to ask this - I really do - but am I to understand that you consider suicide a normal reaction from people? My mention of "vanity" is based on the incidence of, more often than not, "love" related suicides being accompanied by a note, which has the innuendo normally of punishing someone, directly or indirectly, for having been the cause of their suicide. As I have no inclination to it myself and therefore, well yes - as you say - in reality I really cannot ascertain, but it has all the appearances that they believe they will be standing there right behind the reader of the note watching them sob in anguish and feeling pretty vindicated. I interpret that as vanity. However, there are those who will commit suicide for other reasons, mainly through some form of long term clinical depression. They do not tend to leave notes, but do provide clues in their behavior symptomatic that something is not quite right. We generally are not that interested to notice, or shun them because of their change, when a keener eye might have been able to provide a means to intercept the spiral. I do believe these latter are completely deserving of our help, compassion and consideration. Not so much the former.
But better still, maybe read about it. I am sure you still have something to counter me on where this is concerned, though I see no reason to persist with this off topic subject anymore. It is clear that our views here are fixed and we are barking up a gum tree.
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_note"]Suicide note - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
That aside, there always has to be time and opportunity for reflection and reconsideration, or else we are not learning anything, and though I neglected to state it in my previous post, I am able and willing to give due thought to some comments of yours, though so far I really fail to see from where you extracted that first arbitrary judgment in my posts up until then...
Keith, while I agree with some of your sentiments, I think you hate humans, and you hate them far too much....
You seem to have this really depressing, pessimistic attitude about humanity in general, and seem to demonize people (even if it is unintentional, it sure seems this way)....
However, this little snippet is extrapolation bordering on the ridiculous...
Or how about other fundamental human functions. Would you say that sleep is unbalanced, because it is a phase in which the human individual is inactive?
So please forgive me, but you said...
I'm not willing to imagine people as something that they are not. That, if they so choose, is their job.
Honestly, really? So with that...
Imagine if I were to say that you were "superfluous". How would you feel about that?
Please, don't let anything stop you if you want to.
A phenomena that irks you is not necessarily the cause of a real problem.
While what you describe is certainly alarming, but there is a clear correlation betwen low human development and high birth rates. If so called "irresponsible procreation" is present in areas with low human development, it is due to these societal factors also.
Key words here; “phenomena” and “not necessarily”. Thank you for the benefit of the doubt. Your statement may be founded in statistical fact, but it is not exhaustive. Ecuador, for example, is not a low human development country in its urbanized areas, where most of it's population exists. Your statement may have applicability for the Chota and Amazonic region, granted, but the latter of these, who have to live in very close contact with "ecology", do NOT tend to have sprawling families. Quite the contrary, actually. It is those caught halfway between grasping for development, and who are recognizing the value of money, but still on the fringe of poverty, to whom that generalization of yours applies. And as for the urbanized areas, where a significant explosion of the population is taking place, another process is in action. PLEASE NOTE; this is not a demonization, it is an observation because I am on the spot. The case mentioned in the previous post of the family relatives of my neighbours is very simply the reaping of a very poorly administered upbringing, namely excessive pandering and pampering, culminating in the parents experiencing a complete loss of control of their daughters (in this case) as they entered puberty. This trait is a common feature of this family class in Ecuador.
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Why is such quick turn around so necessary that the risk of turning the soil into desert be taken?
Presumably, it is a lack of oversight. It is very annoying.
Yes, annoying at the very least. To who? And why?
Did you read about what is happening in the Amazon?
Now, why do I find the population explosion around the world "alarming"? Here are the mian points of my concerns (and apologies if I am listing anything anyone discussed on another post);
1. Ecological.
2. Employment.
3. Crime.
4. Contamination / non-recyclable waste.
5. Famine.
6. Energy sources / accelerated consumption of non-replenishable resources.
I am not (yet) adding to these headers. Just to know what some of my thoughts revolve around where this subject is concerned. It just sort of occurs to me every now and then that though we have sights set on colonizing other planets and such, we are at present on the only one that can sustain us. You yourself said that we have not yet learned to integrate into ecology properly. It is high time we did, or else, tie a knot in it until such time as we do learn.
