Orbiter OS

[Urwumpe]

Yes it is, but it's something like a microkernel.

No, it is not. Please refrain from using buzzwords, if you don't understand them.

Microsoft kernels have never been even close to a microkernel, you can't make them microkernels without destroying the API.

The Windows NT kernel was a step closer to a microkernel, because many parts that had been in the old kernel had been moved into user space libraries... but it back then broke all compatibility for years until the use of virtualization permitted integrating the old Windows 16/32 API into it.

Also all that stuff that a real microkernel does not do, is still be done by a Windows kernel.

 

[luki1997a]

No, it is not. Please refrain from using buzzwords, if you don't understand them.

Microsoft kernels have never been even close to a microkernel, you can't make them microkernels without destroying the API.

The Windows NT kernel was a step closer to a microkernel, because many parts that had been in the old kernel had been moved into user space libraries... but it back then broke all compatibility for years until the use of virtualization permitted integrating the old Windows 16/32 API into it.

Also all that stuff that a real microkernel does not do, is still be done by a Windows kernel.

Ohh:

WinPE is a lightweight version of Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, Windows Vista, Windows 7, or Windows Server 2008 R2

 

[Urwumpe]

Yes - all that stuff that you need for running games is missing - and believe me: It is easier to add stuff like network or Ethernet-over-PCIE support to an OS that misses it, than all that complex interaction that you need behind DirectX. The Linux developers can sing a few tunes about it, the future of X is still not decided.

 

[luki1997a]

Yes - all that stuff that you need for running games is missing - and believe me: It is easier to add stuff like network or Ethernet-over-PCIE support to an OS that misses it, than all that complex interaction that you need behind DirectX. The Linux developers can sing a few tunes about it, the future of X is still not decided.

Wait few days and you will see Orbiter running on my OS:lol:
Even in RGB mode:lol:

 

[Urwumpe]

Wait few days and you will see Orbiter running on my OS:lol:
Even in RGB mode:lol:

Yes. And you can't distribute it. :lol:

It is also not "Your OS". It is Windows, and windows libraries, thrown together into a distribution. Your contribution there is not that large.

 

[N_Molson]

:rofl:

Sorry, that was nervous. :shifty:

 

[luki1997a]

Yes. And you can't distribute it. :lol:

It is also not "Your OS". It is Windows, and windows libraries, thrown together into a distribution. Your contribution there is not that large.

Yes. base of OS(windows) is not mine but microsoft's. The work of configuring developing and tweaking it is mine.
Please stop that fight:lol:

BTW I've just get an error. Starfield screensaver won't be working:lol::compbash2:

 

[Rtyh-12]

Yes. And you can't distribute it. :lol:

It is also not "Your OS". It is Windows, and windows libraries, thrown together into a distribution. Your contribution there is not that large.

Yes. But that's like saying that Kubuntu is the same as Ubuntu. They use different desktop environments, but that's not too much, right?

I won't do anything to stop him from building it. That's because it would be cool. Pointless, indeed, but it would be cool... So, yea, in a way I do support this.

 

[luki1997a]

:bananadance:
Yes! And I've made first build of Orbiter OS it's build on WinPE--->VistaPE tech(please don't tell me thats illegal). It con't run Orbiter yet, because it hasn't VC++ runtimes yet. I'll add it tomorrow, because now I want to fly to Mars

 

[jedidia]

does DirectX even run on such a tuned down API?

We are not able to provide you legal advice or counseling. Each tool has an associated EULA for your reference and review. Perhaps a better question is about support. Use of WinPE (VistaPE) and other Microsoft tools are supported based on the terms of the associated EULA. Supported means that the software has been tested and we can provide assistance in resolving issues. Third party tools are supported by the manufacturer of those tools. This is no way implies that the tools are good or bad. It simply means that we are unable to support the use of the tool or the effects of the tool.

Steve Smegner
Application Development Consulting Group

So... what does the EULA say?

 

[MeDiCS]

This seems pointless - Orbiter is portable enough. AFAIR, Orbiter only relies on the 2005 redist, which comes preinstalled on Windows Vista and up.

Still, you'd only need a Windows machine and administrator priviledges and lack of both is a pretty rare sight on home machines. You may even get lucky and run Orbiter on Linux through Wine.

 

[luki1997a]

does DirectX even run on such a tuned down API?

So, with it will be a problem. I was trying to impletend it in past but with no success I don't know if there is a sense of making it.

 

[Urwumpe]

Yes. But that's like saying that Kubuntu is the same as Ubuntu. They use different desktop environments, but that's not too much, right?

Yeah, but even Ubuntu does not claim to be not Linux, but respects all copyrights and even builds well on the LSB.

 

[n122vu]

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
Please read my first post. System will be running on WinPE technology, which is 100% legal
Please read earlier post before commenting.

No, it isn't. Developing WinPE is only legal for end users if it is used to recover an existing copy of Windows. You are only able to use the i386 folder of a Windows installation if you own a legal copy of Windows, and can only legally boot that copy of WinPE on that machine, as the license is tied to the machine (in a legal sense) once it is activated.

For enterprise users/technicians, WinPE is only legal for deployment or imaging purposes, and you can only have an equal number of copies of the CD/DVD as the number of licenses your corporation owns.

 

[Pablo49]

Besides all the legal and technical stuff, and besides the fact most computers have windows on them already. (), would this ever even be needed? How often do you think, "If only I had orbiter on me right now?" I know if I am going to do anything in Orbiter, I'll need my binder of checklists, controls etc etc, my joystick, some scratch paper, and probably a cup of tea. Also, even something simple like just getting into orbit takes some time, so you are also assuming all the times you get the Portable Orbiter Itch, you are going to have the time to do anything. It is a simulator, not exactly plug and play kinda of game.

Even in your "trip to grandma's" example, it wouldn't make too much sense. If she is going to let you use the computer, then you might as well install any redistributables, graphics drivers etc, and be done with it.

And if your reason for a portable Orbiter is so show it off (which I can safely assume is a reason that would come up more often than not), booting up a separate OS is just going to make all convoluted. Instead of it just being a sim, it's an OS. You know the way a lot of people can be, even if you explain why you have the OS, they'll still think it's all part of the package, and get all confused.

....because every pc have diffrent hardware...

And how does a new OS fix that? Unless it comes with hardware, too, but then it would just be a laptop. Or maybe a pile of parts, I guess it depends on what you buy.

Now continue on with your more factual discussion.

 

[Artlav]

We need to make this thing run Orbiter:

( http://www.raspberrypi.org )

Now that would be a portable Orbiter USB stick, all you need is a TV and a bluetooth keypad.

 

[jangofett287]

I find a USB stick with a stripped down orbiter (less add-ons) and the VC++ redist (just in case) works fine for me. Sure the loading time is a bit longer when loading from USB, but if your really worried just copy to the HDD, run, then when your done delete.

 

[Wishbone]

There is a real Orbiter OS and it is flying in the sky above us ready to dock the Endeavour to the ISS...

 

[Urwumpe]

There is a real Orbiter OS and it is flying in the sky above us ready to dock the Endeavour to the ISS...

Thats FCOS. And it is pretty much different to everything you know.

 

[jedidia]

So, with it will be a problem. I was trying to impletend it in past but with no success I don't know if there is a sense of making it.

erm... I hate to break it to you, but without full DirectX or OpenGL support your OS won't run orbiter...

Now that would be a portable Orbiter USB stick, all you need is a TV and a bluetooth keypad.

I'm sure Braben would consider that a very apropriate usage of his contraption! :lol: