Bug NASSP Apollo 8 Liftoff Problem

[Cyberman09]

I have a problem with the NASSP 7 beta, when i launched the Apollo 8 rocket, it tipped over and crashed. I don't know what is causing this, or how to fix it.

When i start the sim, the rocket and the launch pad are not on the actual pad, i have to use Ctrl F4 to move it there. So what do i do about this?

Here is a video of the problem:

 

[Mojave]

Are you using the keys Ctrl+ to turn the engines on? If so, you are launching incorrectly. NASSP7 has a launch autopilot that will take over by itself (depending on the scenario) others you will have to use a checklist to start up the spacecraft and AGC, I think. Also see the checklist and documentation that comes with NASSP as this could also answer your future questions.



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[kuddel]

Hi Doctor699,

you are aware that the "Apollo 8" Scenario is located under "Broken Scenarios" folder, right?

When I use this (slightly changed) scenario I get AS-503 to orbit:

BEGIN_DESC
Join Frank Borman James Lovell and Bill Anders on Mankind's first trek a quater 
of a million miles to the moon. Dec 21 1968. (AS-503)
END_DESC

BEGIN_ENVIRONMENT
  System ProjectApollo/Sol
  Date MJD 40211.49375
END_ENVIRONMENT

BEGIN_FOCUS
  Ship AS-503
END_FOCUS

BEGIN_CAMERA
  TARGET AS-503
  MODE Extern
  POS 2.44 0.0 -90.0
  TRACKMODE TargetRelative
  FOV 60.00
END_CAMERA

BEGIN_MFD Left
  TYPE Map
  REF Earth
  BTARGET Cape Canaveral
END_MFD

BEGIN_MFD Right
  TYPE Launch
END_MFD

BEGIN_PANEL
END_PANEL

BEGIN_SHIPS
AS-503:ProjectApollo/Saturn5
  STATUS Landed Earth
  BASE Cape Canaveral:2
  POS -80.6069645 28.6012355
  HEADING 270.00
  FUEL 1.000
  APOLLONO 8
  [COLOR=Lime]REALISM 0[/COLOR]
  S4PL 4
  [COLOR=Blue]NASSPVER 70000[/COLOR]
  STAGE 5
  STAGESTATUS 0
  DOCKSTATE 0
  MISSNTIME -3600
  TOAPO 185.181
  TOPER 184.403
  TOHDG 72.124
  SICSHUT 126.0
  SIIPUT 443.45
  TCP 0.5
  [COLOR=Lime]<Checklist>
    FILE Doc\Project Apollo - NASSP\Checklists\CSM Default Checklists.xls
  </Checklist>[/COLOR]
END
AS-503-CT:ProjectApollo\Crawler
  STATUS Landed Earth
  POS -80.6227729 28.5885195
  HEADING 69.50
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  LVNAME AS-503
END
AS-503-ML:ProjectApollo\ML
  STATUS Landed Earth
  POS -80.6069608 28.6013186
  HEADING 0.43
  LVNAME AS-503
END
END_SHIPS

What did I change? I only added the green line(s) and changed the blue one.
I still needed to "wake up" the AGC from Standby manually (press PRO on DSKY) and "start it up" (VERB 37 NOUN 01 ENTR; and accept the values presented via PRO), but after that I got a lift-off.
No guaranties for enything
The launch-pad and some other structures are dis-placed anyway.

I did have similar effects (to much roll) when I had very low framerates on another computer, but that might not be your problem.

Nevertheless, I think the main reason that it doesn't work is that the scenarios in the "Broken Scenarios" folder have not been updated for months (years?!).
Feel free to tweak then until the work. I think the authors (and others) will appreciate your efforts.

Cheers,
Kuddel

 

[Cyberman09]

Thanks for your help. Yea when i get back home from school today i'll give that a shot. I was using the quickstart menu, maybe thats why? I think i know enough about this version to do Broken Scenarios anyway, suit compressor, AGC, Gimbals, ect. Is there a way that the scenario can be modified so that the rocket can start on the pad without me needing to do ctrl f4?

 

[kuddel]

Thanks for your help. Yea when i get back home from school today i'll give that a shot. I was using the quickstart menu, maybe thats why? I think i know enough about this version to do Broken Scenarios anyway, suit compressor, AGC, Gimbals, ect.

Hi Doctor699,
I am not 100% sure what you mean by "...using the quickstart menu...", but I can give you some hints on another of your questions:

Is there a way that the scenario can be modified so that the rocket can start on the pad without me needing to do ctrl f4?

With "ctrl f4" I assume you mean: opening/using the "Scenario Editor".
Yes, you can do without. The Scenario Editor does exactly that - editing a scenario And you can, too!
Just open a scenario with any of your favorite text editors (Notepad, Notepad++, PSPad, ...).
You then only need to understand what all those parameter and their values mean.
For the "Pad displacement" you have to find the section where the location of the individual object (surface-object or ship or ...) is set. The Mobile-Launcher for example is currently defined like this:

AS-503-ML:ProjectApollo\ML
  STATUS Landed Earth
  [COLOR=Red]POS -80.6069608 28.[/COLOR][COLOR=Red]6013186[/COLOR]
  HEADING 0.43
  LVNAME AS-503
END

The "POS" line sets the location of the object (longitude latitude). (The red line)
Now you only have to find out the new values to change that line to
But you can maybe do it this way:

1. Run the scenario
2. Open the ScenarioEditor
3. Move the things by hand with the Scenario Editor to places where you think they should be
4. Save the scenario (under a different name)
5. Close Orbiter
6. Compare the according lines of the original Scenario with the changed lines of the just saved one.

There are some tools around (google is your friend) to help you with side-by-side comparison of two file. You will see that many other lines have changed too, but don't get to confused. Do your intended changes step by step.
AND....: You might take a look into the documentation files of Orbiter.
The folder "Doc" has many interesting things (e.g. the file OrbiterConfig.pdf)

Kuddel