NASA using Orbiter?

[T.Neo]

I don't understand why someone might complain about this use, I find it fascinating.

They are using Orbiter (and the XR panels as well) without giving credit for those things.

That is every reason to complain.

 

[N_Molson]

The sentence should be to develop freely the vessels they are displaying into addons for Orbiter (don't tell me they couldn't spend a team of professionals on this).

 

[jangofett287]

They are using Orbiter (and the XR panels as well) without giving credit for those things.

That is every reason to complain.

Hold up, there's no evidence that they're using orbiter, but they are defiantly using a screencap of OrbitMFD as a texture, and parts of the XR series panels. Who wants the job of informing DBeachy1 and Martins?

 

[Urwumpe]

Hold up, there's no evidence that they're using orbiter, but they are defiantly using a screencap of OrbitMFD as a texture, and parts of the XR series panels. Who wants the job of informing DBeachy1 and Martins?

They are likely already informed.

And the copyright laws are pretty clear in this case: If you pretend to have done the work of somebody else, you are wrong. Screen captures are actually copyrighted as well in that case, if you pretend that what the screen capture shows is your own work. You may use them as long as you say correctly what they are (and even this can be prevented, if fair use does no longer apply)

In this case: No fair use. No credits that they had been taken from Orbiter and the XR add-on.

It is now nothing that should make a lawyer rich, but you could already send an annoying C&D to NASA, if NASA awarded the contract for this animation (Since, while the work and the illegal use was likely done without NASA knowing, NASA is the responsible person for the outside). But usually something like that should be settled outside court by giving out some credits and links to Orbiter and the XR2.

But what this does not mean:
- That NASA must have done these videos. That is not verified yet.
- That NASA uses Orbiter. The video was done by a specialist company, not by NASA or any other aerospace entity. Somebody must have known Orbiter there.

 

[Spacethingy]

Pretty much all guys on this forum who do videos of Orbiter are good and stick credits at the end. It's good form, polite to the software creators (i.e. addon makers and Dr M) and educates people about what kind of software is out there.

Shame this person didn't do this!

 

[Keatah]

I say they ARE indeed using orbiter. As it is orbiter's graphics routines and physics engine driving the display. Screen capture or not.

But there comes a point in time when you can't micro-manage every appearance of your work being used by others. If there is a tiny amount of profit I would still let it slide. If it is a major profit, then that's a different issue.

Same thing applies to cars, does every filmmaker have to pay a royalty to Audi or GM everytime one of their cars shows up in a movie?

Besides, now nasa is using orbiter, isn't that cool enough?

 

[Artlav]

Same thing applies to cars, does every filmmaker have to pay a royalty to Audi or GM everytime one of their cars shows up in a movie?

Actually, it's Audi or GM that pays the fillmaker for advertising their products in the movie.

 

[Urwumpe]

Same thing applies to cars, does every filmmaker have to pay a royalty to Audi or GM everytime one of their cars shows up in a movie?

Additionally to what Artlav said: The movie makers never claim that they also build cars.

 

[n0mad23]

Seems Orbiter is pretty influential, at least behind the scenes, aye?

I just did a google search and have linked all the academic papers quickly found referencing Orbiter here - http://www.orbiter-forum.com/showthread.php?p=299258&postcount=21

If nothing else, I guess in some circles we're the "cool" kids.

 

[ky]

While searching Orbiter space flight simulator in google, and searched Nasa.gov, I found a link:
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/basics/links.php

 

[ozone]

According to the information given with the clip on YouTube this was done for the 25th National Space Symposium. April 2009.

Go to http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/library/olson-nss2009.html and click on NASA demo-reel.wmv and you can watch in hi-def.

 

[Turbinator]

The google-fu is strong with this one.

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Here are the high resolution screen grabs. As there is no easy way to acceptably pause because they flash the frames in the video very quickly.

 

[n0mad23]

Looks like the Mark III spacesuits are off their own page - http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/3d_resources/assets/mkiii_suit.html

 

[Turbinator]

The suits in the video look far, far more detailed. And there are some quite obvious geometric differences. Needles to say; since they are using parts of Orbiter in their beautiful, high detail expose, it is only fair that they release the whole thing as an add-on for Orbiter. It would serve a far greater purpose than the video alone ever could.

 

[ky]

Heres a zoomed in version to show the MFD.

 

[Chub777]

I didn't notice this one.

Heres a zoomed in version to show the MFD.

It's quite obvious that the MFDs and the XR panels were copied and pasted. It shows Earth instead of the Moon. :facepalm:

 

[Turbinator]

I didn't notice this one.

It is at the very end of the video, when they flash all the frames just before the NASA logo.

 

[TerraMimic]

Some of the graphics remind me of Moonbase Alpha, NASA's video game about a base on the moon. It's supposed to be a pilot project for an eventual NASA MMO.

 

[Turbinator]

If NASA's history is anything to go by, that Moonbase Alpha pilot project is the only thing you are ever going to see. However, there is a chance that your grandchildren might get to play the MMO.

 

[TerraMimic]

Yeah, that's what I figured. Especially since it came out over a year ago and only has 1 of the supposed many scenarios that were to be released.

But then again, they do have outside contractors working on it, so... maybe?