McCain or Obama?

[Mission_CDR]

Which one of the following canidates do you like the most?


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I want McCain to win because his plans will help our economy to grow, he has already proven himself to be responsible enough to be our president, and he will stop coruption in the government.

 

[Cobalt]

Bob Barr! Gonna bring it all home!

No, really, I'm not a strong supporter of either, but I'd rather see McCain than Obama. I don't like democrat policies in general, but that's a topic for another forum altogether. They say the fastest way to lose friends is to talk politics.
(Which has been true for me, I disagreed with a buddy of mine about something political and he avoided me for two months. Go figure.)

 

[ryan]

I'm just wondering can any of the Americans name the Prime Minister of Australia, without looking it up on the internet.

 

[Boeing]

After hearing what suffering Mccain went threw to support America Mccain for sure 100%

 

[Nickmick95]

Personally, I don't like either, but I'd rather see Obama in the White House instead of Mr. War machine, John McCain.


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Boeing, I hope you realize that character isn't everything, it's the policies that matter the most. Unless you or your children want to fight in Iraq for the next 100 years, then you'd better reconsider.

 

[ryan]

In Australia we have a party called the Indepenents, i guess if the normal electors dont cut it, i go for them. But in America you only have the Demorcrats and Republicans.

 

[Missioncmdr]

I'm just wondering can any of the Americans name the Prime Minister of Australia, without looking it up on the internet.

Kevin Rudd (Liberal) (and no, I did not look that up on the Internet [although I initially learned that from the Internet]).

A couple others:

Stephen Harper (Conservative) - PM of Canada (parties: Conservatives, Liberal, NDP, Bloc Quebecois, Green)
Gordon Brown (Labour) - PM of the UK (parties: seems like a zillion)
Putin - PM of Russia

And the list goes on... Pretty useless information to me, but, whatever.

But, back on topic, I am sick of two-party politics. Expect to see a real poll with more choices.

 

[tl8]

Kevin Rudd (Liberal) (and no, I did not look that up on the Internet [although I initially learned that from the Internet]).

A couple others:

Stephen Harper (Conservative) - PM of Canada (parties: Conservatives, Liberal, NDP, Bloc Quebecois, Green)
Gordon Brown (Labour) - PM of the UK (parties: seems like a zillion)
Putin - PM of Russia

And the list goes on... Pretty useless information to me, but, whatever.

But, back on topic, I am sick of two-party politics. Expect to see a real poll with more choices.

Your wrong: K Rudd is Labor

 

[pandadude]

Your wrong: K Rudd is Labor

Give him a break!
I'm surprised anyone knows our PM TBH. Also surprising that anyone knows the name of our parties.

 

[Missioncmdr]

Your wrong: K Rudd is Labor

D'oh! I think I heard him being described as liberal (lowercase L) in a YouTube video or something and got confused. But hey, Labor is a liberal party, right?

Of course, I could have looked up all that information and cheated, but I did not. So, I think I got pretty close.

 

[Cairan]

I guess I'm centerish...

I ran in the provincial elections here in Quebec (finished 2nd in my riding, ) for a party considered pretty much considered to be on the right (ADQ)... but which is a lot more to the left than the Conservatives in Ottawa... which I support.

But me and my wife are really leaning toward Obama in this presidential election down south, so I guess either a) I'm center-ish or b) you lean toward the party or the candidate which seems to address the issues the most according to your own views.

On my part, the energy plan of Obama really is what makes me wish for his election to office. I don't know if he came up with that before or after meeting T. Boone Pickens, but that's exactly what the US needs to do right now. I was worried about Obama because he was initially cold toward nuclear power, which really is going to be a stop-gap but necessary measure, but now he's soften up to the idea to my liking.

No matter how you digg at the numbers, it still is very true that 3% of the oil reserves are in the US, including Alaska and off-shore exclusive economic zones, and consumes 25% of the oozy black stuff despite having 6% of the world population, half of which comes from countries where many would chant in the streets if Washington blew up.:blink:

You know what, forget Obama. Let's elect T. Boone Pickens strait to office. Oh I forgot... I can't vote in the US... :sorry:

 

[bujin]

From another outsider's point of view, of the two, I'd rather see Obama win. He seems to be scientifically literate and doesn't let his religious faith get in the way. He's not afraid to state things which may seem controversial in parts of America, such as a belief that embryonic stem cell research is an important development, or that creationism should be kept out of the science class. He also accepts climate change as fact, and that's something of immediate importance.

I'm sure there are probably other reasons why McCain would be a better candidate than Obama, but for me, scientific literacy is something which is taking a big hit in America (and elsewhere in the world), and it would be good to have a president who lives in the real world.

 

[Eagle]

He's not afraid to state things which may seem controversial in parts of America, such as a belief that embryonic stem cell research is an important development, or that creationism should be kept out of the science class. He also accepts climate change as fact, and that's something of immediate importance.

Technically you haven't said anything incorrect. But McCain is of the same opinion regarding Antrhopogenic (Global Warming) Climate Change. Just making sure the "and the other guy doesn't" implication doesn't give people the wrong impression.

I do ecourage everyone to check out both candidates' websites. You might learn a few things.


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Of course most people (smart ones included) will end up voting with their gut (and feelings).

 

[GregBurch]

From another outsider's point of view, of the two, I'd rather see Obama win. He seems to be scientifically literate and doesn't let his religious faith get in the way. He's not afraid to state things which may seem controversial in parts of America, such as a belief that embryonic stem cell research is an important development, or that creationism should be kept out of the science class. He also accepts climate change as fact, and that's something of immediate importance.

I'm sure there are probably other reasons why McCain would be a better candidate than Obama, but for me, scientific literacy is something which is taking a big hit in America (and elsewhere in the world), and it would be good to have a president who lives in the real world.

Just for the record, McCain has long accepted AGW, and opposed his party to support federal funding for embryonic stem cell research.

As for teaching creationism in school, there's no evidence that either of the people on the Republican ticket have ever advocated legal mandates that creationism be taught in school.

Finally, you say that "Obama is scientifically literate." My personal experience with people with his educational background is that they are not, in fact, "scientifically literate" in the sense of really 1) having very much deep insight into the scientific method or 2) much actual knowledge that is the product of science. Obama is a lawyer and his education was entirely on the humanities track leading up to a legal career. He's always worked in law and politics in non-technical fields. In my own work -- practicing law dealing with engineering and scientific matters -- I'm always amazed at how deeply ignorant of basic scientific knowledge such people can be.

 

[Urwumpe]

I'm always amazed at how deeply ignorant of basic scientific knowledge such people can be.

Not only outside the natural science field... The guy who sues the LHC at the ECHR is none less than a professor for biochemistry, who also produced more or less flawed papers in other fields - just like particle science. The CERN just corrected a critical calculation error in one of his papers, on which he based the trail.

Scientific method is not something, that is easily understood. And you need a lot of faith in the method to not go crazy. Very often, the correct application of the scientific methods gives you results, you can't accept. Not the best thing in politics.

I think streetwise is a more important quality, than scientific literate. And both candidates can be considered streetwise. Finally, it will all depend on one thing: Which of them did read their Machiavelli?

 

[GregBurch]

I think streetwise is a more important quality, than scientific literate. And both candidates can be considered streetwise. Finally, it will all depend on one thing: Which of them did read their Machiavelli?

That may be, in which case the observations in this little essay are critical:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/07/uselections2008.republicans2008

If the left in the US can't control their loathing for "average Americans," they're going to blow their shot here.

 

[Urwumpe]

If the left in the US can't control their loathing for "average Americans," they're going to blow their shot here.

The same with Republicans claiming that only they can define what the average American is. I have strong doubts that family Palin is even only one AU away from the statistical average American, but for exploiting this fact, some democrats should really learn serenity.

Actually, the small sister of Britney Spears did it just like the democrats should have done it... did somebody notice it? The tiny irony between the campaign against Obama with Britney Spears and Paris Hilton by McCains friends - and Sarah Palins family suddenly having real similarities with a show family which lost ground contact years ago?

Sarah Palin is far away from the average Hockey Mom, she claims to be, and it is not hard to show that. But you can't convince people when you run around with foam around your mouth.

 

[GregBurch]

The same with Republicans claiming that only they can define what the average American is. I have strong doubts that family Palin is even only one AU away from the statistical average American, but for exploiting this fact, some democrats should really learn serenity.

Actually, the small sister of Britney Spears did it just like the democrats should have done it... did somebody notice it? The tiny irony between the campaign against Obama with Britney Spears and Paris Hilton by McCains friends - and Sarah Palins family suddenly having real similarities with a show family which lost ground contact years ago?

Sarah Palin is far away from the average Hockey Mom, she claims to be, and it is not hard to show that. But you can't convince people when you run around with foam around your mouth.

Actually, as was pointed out to the gentle Bill Maher on his show Friday night, a majority of mayors in the US are now women and share the same political trajectory that Palin has followed from the PTA or other local, traditional political organizations that deal with family issues. While Palin may not be a "typical hockey mom," she's actually a familiar figure to men and women who are aware of local politics outside of the big coastal cities. And, as they say, "all politics is local."

BTW, Maher was clearly not aware that a majority of mayors in the US are women -- you could tell. It doesn't fit his isloated, left coast experience. He -- and the people who run the mainstream media in the US -- don't have a clue what life is like for "the fly-over people."

Regarding this, a post I just put up on my blog:

http://www.gregburch.net/2008/09/mask-slips-this-little-piece-in-of-all.html

THE MASK SLIPS

This little piece in, of all places, The Guardian, sums up pretty well how the Obamatons have blown their lead by letting the mask slip over Palin.

Some polls are showing McCain in the lead now. It will require a concerted effort on the part of Obama's campaign to recapture the position they had a week ago of comfortably sitting on a win that was theirs to lose. "The narrative" Obama's folks have so carefully crafted and scripted out to the mainstream media is now hanging in tatters, with Obama now forced to defend his experience level against the GOP's number 2, the holes in his "stirring biography" now visible, and the chorus of "hope and change" being sung in a different key by a different set of people than those who had experienced him as a blank screen upon which to project whatever made them feel good.

Pretty good work for a single move of political judo. And it never would have had this effect but for the mainstream media's foolishness. That's gotta hurt.

McCain's shown he can take hit after hit politically, fall back, regroup and counterattack. Obama's never faced such a challenge in his life. Let's see how he does.

GB, THHotA

 

[Mission_CDR]

I dont mean offense to be taken but I have never really heard Obama say exactly how he is going to do some of the things he says he will. Just about all of the time it seems that he waffles around the point, can some one please help me understand exactly how he plans to make everything that he says he will do happen? Once again I am not trying to attack him, I am just curious.

 

[simonpro]

Greg, don't wish to burst your bubble but it'd probably be a better idea not to find links from the guardian.They're about as unbiased as Fox News