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[Missioncmdr]

Well in most other countries where this happens, the behavior is usually legal, and expected.

Murdering infants is legal in other countries? I would like to think not.

Either way, this is very disturbing indeed. I cannot understand what would make a person do such a thing. I guess some people really have no regard for human life.

 

[computerex]

Sorry for the confusion guys, by my statement I meant that it is often expected for young aged women to have children.

 

[NukeET]

There is only a few words I can say: Only in America

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[Quick_Nick]

Murdering infants is legal in other countries? I would like to think not.

Either way, this is very disturbing indeed. I cannot understand what would make a person do such a thing. I guess some people really have no regard for human life.

I think she just didn't know what to do and was really panicked. Obviously it WAS a crazy move and she'll certainly be sorry about it for a loooong time, but at that point there weren't many options and I can't see anyone being able to think clearly in such a situation.

 

[RichWall]

There is only a few words I can say: Only in America

Human despair is often linked to depression and ignorance.

It carries no flag.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-22099040.html

http://www.fathersforlife.org/fv/SIDS-Australia.htm

Let ignorance at least be chosen out.

 

[RAF92_Moser]

There is only a few words I can say: Only in America

Sad but true. (OK...not all the time).

 

[Missioncmdr]

I think she just didn't know what to do and was really panicked. Obviously it WAS a crazy move and she'll certainly be sorry about it for a loooong time, but at that point there weren't many options and I can't see anyone being able to think clearly in such a situation.

Yeah. I can see what you are saying. The worst part is that this is not something that will just go away. Something like this could traumatize a person for the rest of their life.

 

[Urwumpe]

There is only a few words I can say: Only in America

In Germany, a few days ago a female soldier killed her secretly born baby inside the army base. If a soldier can keep a pregnancy secret, anybody can. People don't see, what really is, but what they want to see.

I think that is already the problem - somebody should have noticed the pregnancy. That even the parents did not notice it, is usually a bad sign.

My parents found out everything I did, the more I invested in secrecy, it took only a few weeks longer to find out. My parents did not talk to me when I started smoking secretly with 14. They talked to me when I stopped smoking with 16. :dry:

Also, a pregnancy with 14 is not automatically bad. It is uncommon in our culture, but medically not only possible, actually even physically intended. Some cultures would ask a pregnant 16 year old, why she has not even one child yet.

The problem is just, that like in all other cultures who let their children become adults so early, this requires full work of the children and the new grandparents - and the rest of friends and family. And I strongly doubt that children are considered a family project in our culture now.

Also, I had some months ago seen a young girl, which was unlikely as old as 14, more like 12-13, which was clearly pregnant - you can't gain weight so selectively as woman. Her mother was right aside her, and from the look at her, you clearly can tell, who was responsible for explaining important things to her.

 

[tomek]

Well, biologically, yes, a girl has quite good chances of delivering a baby even at 14 years of age. The problem is, it doesn't really end there. She'll have to raise that baby for pretty much the rest of her life, and by giving birth at 14 she significantly complicates the possibility of achieving anything else in that life. Same goes for a father, who probably won't be much older, and will not even necessarily be excited about the prospect of being a father. So socially, birth at 14 is likely to screw up the lives of mother, father and child. And the fact that they aren't considered to be supposed to have sex at that age makes it harder for them to even get proper contraception...

 

[Ghostrider]

There is only a few words I can say: Only in America

Unfortunately not. Happens in Europe too, with babies being thrown still alive into dumpsters.

 

[RichWall]

Individuals of good conscience can make it work, but the wear and tear can be formidable for thous behind the curve. The ones with stamina, as well, will shine.

 

[Urwumpe]

So socially, birth at 14 is likely to screw up the lives of mother, father and child. And the fact that they aren't considered to be supposed to have sex at that age makes it harder for them to even get proper contraception...

That is a problem of our culture in that case - biology seems to gave less objections.

Also contraception is no problem of age. There is always one thing you can get...But you need to get it. If you just follow the orders of a few million hormone molecules, which have no understanding for such sabotage, you get problems.

That's when we get back to "the right age".

Which is 19. Copy?

 

[tomek]

Individuals of good conscience can make it work, but the wear and tear can be formidable for thous behind the curve. The ones with stamina, as well, will shine.

That assuming they even want that baby. And in time, when they realize which possibilities they have paid with for that baby, they might very well start hating it and each other. Not to mention that even people of 20+ years old often don't pick an ideal match for themselves to begin with.

 

[RichWall]

That assuming they even want that baby. And in time, when they realize which possibilities they have paid with for that baby, they might very well start hating it and each other. Not to mention that even people of 20+ years old often don't pick an ideal match for themselves to begin with.

People can and do, learn to love. One day, Twenty years, it's all a choice, each and every day. And if you have been through the gauntlet, no one, in this mortal Earth can touch you.

 

[tomek]

That's when we get back to "the right age".

Which is 19. Copy?

Wish it was that simple. It's not just hormones, it's also peer pressure coupled with ignorance at least as much. And I'm not sure it'll be as easy for a typical 15-16 year old to buy condoms at the pharmacy (assuming he even knows how and why he should use them). Much less 14-year old buying pills (which I really doubt she even really should use at that age)...

People can and do, learn to love. One day, Twenty years, it's all a choice, each and every day. And if you have been through the gauntlet, no one, in this mortal Earth can touch you.

I have once believed it too. But with each passing year, I'm less sure.

 

[RichWall]

I have once believed it too. But with each passing year, I'm less sure.

I have lived it, I am 100% sure. Take each day as if it were the last with her. And do not become less from doubt. It will all, in time, become clear.

 

[tomek]

Myself, I could try and do. It's a few billions of other people, that I'm not so sure about.

 

[RichWall]

Myself, I could try and do. It's a few billions of other people, that I'm not so sure about.

We can only change what's in arms reach. A clear conscience is of that measure.

 

[Urwumpe]

Wish it was that simple. It's not just hormones, it's also peer pressure coupled with ignorance at least as much. And I'm not sure it'll be as easy for a typical 15-16 year old to buy condoms at the pharmacy (assuming he even knows how and why he should use them). Much less 14-year old buying pills (which I really doubt she even really should use at that age)...

It is VERY simple to buy condoms. Speaking from personal experience, all you need to get taken serious in a pharmacy is the right attitude. Don't be shy. Don't be silent. Make sure the scandalmongers of your village who are spending the whole day in the pharmacy for getting new gossips about illnesses in their territory know that you are just buying the most harmless thing on earth. Smile innocently. When asked for the size of the package, be either modest or buy large. If you buy modest, people think you are really knowing what you do. If you buy large, all think you buy for the rest of the young males of the village. But if you buy large, please remember that most condoms have a "best used before" label. :dry:

Well, at least I improved the live of my friends a bit.

Also, you can never learn using condoms too early. Life is really short compared to how hard it is to learn it. You may think landing a DG manually on mars is hard. Forget it. You can learn doing this right after a few tries. Also you will not fail landing because you bought the right size, but from the wrong manufacturer.

But 14 year old girls should not get the pill at all. It is not healthy for them to get such a hormone dose so early, and can damage their development. You usually don't get such stuff as girl before you are 16, some exceptions manage to get the permit with 15.


But the best way to avoid pregnancy is not having sex at all. But well, the same can be said about alcohol.

 

[simonpro]

You can get pregnant by drinking alcohol?
Better replan my evening, then.

Seriously, though, good advice there Urwumpe. I've known quite a few people who've got into trouble because they've been too shy to buy condoms. If you get embarrassed about stuff like that then just look at it this way: You're gonig to be 20 times more embarrassed if you get someone pregnant, everyone will be thinking "geez, that guy wasn't even clever enough to use protection."
Not cool.

As for the original story, it's sad all round. I feel sorry for everyone, but especially the girl involved - must have been a nightmare for her. Hopefully she'll get some good councelling to help her back on track.
Also, it is quite possible for people (especially very young people) to be heavily pregnant but still look just a little chubby. There werwe some photos in a brit paper a few years ago of a 13 year old who was expecting. Even after 8months you still wouldn't have been able to tell she was pregnant!