Flight Question getting into orbit?

[orb]

I DID TRY THEM

I'm a bit confused here. What did you try? Gary's suggestions, or making a main engine burn at retrograde attitude? Because if nothing has changed, then you didn't press + numpad key / throttle up after your vessel aligned with the retrograde attitude to make the burn.

 

[rocketdued]

i tried garys suggestions. and buring at retrograde. but istead of my altitude coming under control it got away no matter what i did with the keyboard. but im bugging every one on this subject. so i'll drop it.

*can a moderator lock this? sorry to bother you all.

 

[Fabri91]

But did you burn retrograd at the LOW POINT in your orbit (to make the high poin lower)? Or did you just orient yourself retrograde without waiting to burn?

 

[rocketdued]

yes i did. and in my 16 years of being envolved with pc simulations i have NEVER seen one operate control wise as orbiter. im thinking the only problem i still have is not the deltaglider but the orbit mfd. cause what i read on here and in it's manual. it don't preform ANY thing like what the reading Material describes.

 

[orb]

If you didn't understand by reading description. Here's what you should have done in picture:

 

[Ripley]

Can you make a video of you getting into orbit (maybe also with your voice in a mic explaining what you do) and upload it somewhere, so we can finally see what happens?

I know this can be a bit heavy on you, but at this point I don't know what (or how) I could explain you more...apart from:

- are you sure that (you never replied to this) you don't have hardware problems?
- do you have "gaming hardware" at all? (joysticks, throttles, whatever else plugged, wheels, joypads...)
- if you switch to external view (F1) can you confirm that engines are off when you actually throttle down?
- what other sims do you run?
- how old is your pc? Is it a top-end pc? Is it updated (drivers, DirectX, ...)?
- LAST resort (but at this point you'll quit Orbiter, I guess): reinstall everything from scratch, I never heard of your issues.

 

[rocketdued]

sorry sir i can not. cause i don't have a mic. and i don't have a recoding programs like fraps or game camra.

 

[Ripley]

I see.
And what about, for example, answering the other questions, please, if you mind?

 

[rocketdued]

yes sir. im sure the engines are off.
gameing hardware=none.
my other sims are silent hunter3/18 wheels of steel haulin/farming simulator2011.fligthsimulator2004.
pc age 1 month old. 750gb hd 4gigs of ram with a nvidia220gt pci-e vider card 1bgmemory.

 

[garyw]

When you are at the LOW point of your orbit (i.e. where you were in the screenshot you posted) can you do the following:

1. Bring up the Orbit MFD
2. Press the Retrograde Button
3. Wait until the DG is flying retrograde - The + will be in the center of the HUD
4. Hit the plus key to fire your main engines

Now, what happens to your orbit?

 

[rocketdued]

#1 yes i can
#2 same as number 1
#3yes i did try that.
#4my orbit got bigger

 

[Kveldulf]

yes i did. and in my 16 years of being envolved with pc simulations i have NEVER seen one operate control wise as orbiter.

Orbiter is one of a kind. It is probably the only simulator I'm aware of that will actually challenge you the way it does.

I'm thinking the only problem i still have is not the deltaglider but the orbit mfd.

I find that very hard to believe. Honestly, and I'm not saying this to be mean, but I don't you really understand what you are really supposed to be doing. Every one of the people trying to help you have no problems with Orbit MFD. These same people can also fly the Delta Glider without any problem.

In fact, I flew an ascent last night, with my two year old son sitting in my lap (he likes to watch the rockets on daddy's computer :lol, and had no problems with either. I saw the same data I expect to see, and flew an ascent and orbit insert the same way I have done since I started learning Orbiter back in mid-2006. Nothing has changed since then, and there is no way that Orbit MFD is only bugged for you.

cause what i read on here and in it's manual. it don't preform ANY thing like what the reading Material describes.

Yes it does...

Granted, the manual is intimidating, but if you have read Go Play In Space, watched Tex's tutorial videos, or watched the in-game playbacks of a trip to the moon, or even ISS, you will have seen the same steps you should be doing. Take notes if you have to. Everything is explained to you. It's just a matter of figuring out how to repeat the steps.

Block out everything you learned in your past simulator experience if you have to. These tutorials work. People such as myself have learned to fly the Delta Glider using these tutorials.

 

[garyw]

Can you orient your vessel RETROGRADE and post a screenshot of it. Include the orbit MFD please.

 

[rocketdued]

ok now we're starting to communicate. i have been looking for those but im unable to find them. now i will forget about trying to get to the iss for a while and just focus on orbits. now the three things i need to know for a circular orit are

#1 pea?
#2per?
#3apr correct?

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now that i can do.

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also for future referance im useing just the bare bones orbiter install and orbiter sound. thats all. no add-ons at all.

 

[Rtyh-12]

OK, now you people are starting to annoy me... some people learn more slowly, and just imagine spending 16 years only in orbit and suddenly finding yourself in the atmosphere, well this guy is in the same situation, it's hard to forget such things after so much experience. I agree that we have done a lot for him, but not everything. And just telling him what he needs to do won't work, you need to explain him first why and only then tell him what to do.

And now, back on topic. Rocketdued, you are going too fast. There is no way to slow down in space like in the atmosphere, you need to burn your engines "the wrong way", that is, backwards. Backwards in orbit is called retrograde. And, in space, you also need to time your burns. You are going too fast when you are at your periapsis, the lowest point of your orbit. So that's when you need to slow down.

So what can you do?

First, check your PeA, the altitude of the lowest point of your orbit. That needs to be high enough, so you don't hit the air. If it's under 150 km, then it's not good. You'll need to raise your periapsis. Wait until you are at your apoapsis, the highest point of your orbit, and press the big Prograde button, which will point you forward. Then, just burn your engines, but not too much, or you'll overshoot. Just burn until your PeA is somewhere above 200 km (if it's more, don't worry, as long as it's not very high, it's OK) and then turn off your engines. Then, wait until you reach the periapsis, the lowest point of your orbit, and turn retrograde. Now it's time to slow down. Make sure you are pointing backwards, and when you are close to your periapsis, engage the engines! And then burn until your orbit, the green line in the Orbit MFD, is round.

Tip 1: You can press and hold Ctrl - + to make the engine level slowly increase. It's good to let them burn just a little, so you have more time to think.

Tip 2: By waiting I mean accelerating time with the R and T key, of course... Just don't overshoot.

 

[rocketdued]

well either im flying this simulator wrong or the manaul is wrong WTF one is it??? im beginning to agree with ryth-12. if it doesn't work the way you pepole are telling me it supposed to do and what the manual says it should do is two differrent things altogether. now im getting sicken tired of answering questions i already asnwerd 50 time in the past. now if every one finds this annoying just lock the thread simple as that!!! other wise im done here. thank for for the time.

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heres what i was trying. go to the obiter laucnh pad. and select checklists. from checklists go to the flight labeld DG to ISS. and see if any of you can make it. other wise like i said im done here i sick if screwing with this im annoying any way as one member already pointed out. so can some one LOCK this? this is no sence to a topic getting out of control like this one has.

 

[Arrowstar]

The manuals are correct and the tutorials are correct. We know this because they have helped others in your position before.

I really think the problem is that you don't have the feel for what doing certain things in orbit actually does. Outside of a 15-week course in classical mechanics and another in orbital mechanics, you're going to have to grasp the mechanics of spaceflight through trial and error (like all of us before you). Please do not get frustrated. Please do not give up. You must try, and more importantly, you must experiment. This means not only using Orbiter, but systematically trying things so you know what their results are.

For example, if someone were to ask you how to increase your apogee in an Earth orbit, how would you respond? Same question for lowering perigee. What about increasing or decreasing inclination?

I pose these questions to you not to be intimidating, but to give you an idea of some of the basic skills you'll need to be a successful Orbinaut. My recommendation for you would actually be to skip the "getting into orbit" phase all together and start out docked to the ISS or Mir or whatnot with the DeltaGlider. Learn how to maneuver with the RCS engines first, both translation and rotation.

Once you've got that down, learn how to adjust your orbit. Learn how to increase or decrease perigee and apogee to the point you desire. Learn how to increase and decrease inclination. And most importantly, learn how to control your spacecraft so it does what you desire.

It can be done, it just requires practice and patience. Good luck!

 

[rocketdued]

well i guess it's worth one more try.

 

[Rtyh-12]

OK. Glad to see you're not giving up! Remember that everyone of us has been a beginner, a "n00b" at one point. (Yes, even those of us who give you answers with complex Maths problems! :lol If you have any questions, feel free to ask!

 

[Tex]

There are more than enough extremely helpful answers from the entire community regarding this topic.

Thread closed per OP's request.

so can some one LOCK this?