Discussion ChatGPT Can help writing Code for Orbiter

[JDat]

What really matters is what you create

The problems is that you not create code. AI writes code for you. It's not your code, it's AI's code! If you not agree about AI code copyrights, than go, watch Star Trek Voyager. There was an episode where The Doctor wrote Screenplay and almost lost copyright on his own work...

Even worse. You not understand AI code.

If you are planning inject AI written code into Orbiter, you must explicitly write where is your code and where is AI code.
BTW, The same is true about Linux kernel. Linus Torvalds already mentioned about AI code in Linux kernel.

Learning to write OS? I asked following: "Why AI not making/writing operating systems if it "so powerful coder"?"

The World is getting more and more stupid. People even don't want to use their own brains...

In short:
There was Orbiter tutorial named "Go, play in Space!"
Looks like now is the best time for some vibe "coders" to "Go play with AI!"...

 

[nbcfrosty]

The problems is that you not create code. AI writes code for you. It's not your code, it's AI's code! If you not agree about AI code copyrights, than go, watch Star Trek Voyager. There was an episode where The Doctor wrote Screenplay and almost lost copyright on his own work...

Even worse. You not understand AI code.

It’s my code, I hold the license. Also software dev is built on abstractions, no one person usually understands everything.
Do you fully understand how the TCP/IP stack works? We use code we don’t fully understand all the time.

If you are planning inject AI written code into Orbiter, you must explicitly write where is your code and where is AI code.

No I don’t, I don’t have to do that.

BTW, The same is true about Linux kernel. Linus Torvalds already mentioned about AI code in Linux kernel.

What’s your source? I remember in one interview the interviewer was ripping on gen ai, and he held the opposite position that we have been climbing the rungs of abstraction and that programmers have been using increasingly higher level abstractions over time and it’s natural.

Learning to write OS? I asked following: "Why AI not making/writing operating systems if it "so powerful coder"?"

It probably is, have you looked at stats in how much code gen is occurring at big tech?

The World is getting more and more stupid. People even don't want to use their own brains...

In short:
There was Orbiter tutorial named "Go, play in Space!"
Looks like now is the best time for some vibe "coders" to "Go play with AI!"...

That’s one way of looking at it.
In my opinion this is a dangerous attitude to have if you want to retain your employment options open.

 

[Arvil]

Well, I certainly hope the folks who are writing AI are not the same ones who write search engines, they seem to return to you everything except what you are looking for.

 

[Urwumpe]

Testing and bug fixing is easier than ever now for me. I have the AI do the testing for me. And I disagree cursor/claude code can do a remarkable job scanning the code, finding bugs, explaining the code, even documenting to make it easier for others to onboard.

LOL. If it can do that in MY league of development, then I should better get all ammo I can, run into the woods and prepare for Judgement Day.

To the naysayers just give Claude code a chance.

Currently, its not good enough for my employer. And thats a remarkable red flag, considered how our international management embraces the hype. In fact, comparisons rate it even similar to ChatGPT o3, but better in scientific work than ChatGPT o4. But thats rather about the weakness of o4, not the strength of Claude.

 

[JDat]

I am quitting this discussion, no not because I don't have an arguments, but because I am disappointed and don't want to make flame here. Guys, please do not accept @nbcfrosty code for copyright and lack of experience reasons! I saw enough from these wannabees!

 

[nbcfrosty]

Currently, it’s not good enough for my employer. And thats a remarkable red flag, considered how our international management embraces the hype. In fact, comparisons rate it even similar to ChatGPT o3, but better in scientific work than ChatGPT o4. But thats rather about the weakness of o4, not the strength of Claude.

I don’t know your industry, but In my opinion it goes without saying that if lives literally depend on your code, that requires a different approach to safety than typical enterprise software dev.

My employer is paying for everyone’s cursor sub, we’ve had GitHub copilot sub for a while. In my experience I have the best time using Claude sonnet 4 for heavy lifting and using o3 when running into stubborn bugs.

At any rate, I have a lot of fun with AI. Working on a couple side projects. And that above MFD was literally code entirely with cursor, all I did was copy the custom mfd folder and then told it to delete existing code. It figured out everything about orbiter api and coordinate system through my very high level testing feedbacks. It’s a lot of fun when mistakes in your code doesn’t have crippling consequences.

 

[nbcfrosty]

I am quitting this discussion, no not because I don't have an arguments, but because I am disappointed and don't want to make flame here. Guys, please do not accept @nbcfrosty code for copyright and lack of experience reasons! I saw enough from these wannabees!

lol, good for you buddy. What exactly have you contributed/shipped for you to have such a high horse?

 

[JDat]

lol, good for you buddy. What exactly have you contributed/shipped for you to have such a high horse?

We can continue discuss this in private messages...

 

[nbcfrosty]

We can continue discuss this in private messages...

We can talk once you learn to code and actually ship something worth using lol You literally don’t even have a single orbiter addon. Maybe you should use cursor to ship your first one, so that you’d have an actual shipped contribution.

 

[JDat]

Okay, then... Want to measure who's c*ck is bigger, loger thicker? I don't develop addons now, but have and idea to make something similar as @kamaz Orb:Connect addon, but with UDP because I need connectionleed data exhange between Orbiter and external software and hardware devices. Right now I am mostly working in simpit field. You have no idea what is it. Usually contributing ideas and example code to @Phil Smith privately.

And... I can't see you in Orbiter contributors list on github... At least I made one liner hacky pull request to get things compiling without errors on first weeks after orbiter source code was released... Any issues or bug reports on github from you? Maybe you need to as Ai to find bugs in Orbiter spource code...

I am not professional programmer, just hoobyist, but looks like, I can be your senior programing manager and teach you how to program things correctly...

 

[nbcfrosty]

Okay, then... Want to measure who's c*ck is bigger, loger thicker? I don't develop addons now, but have and idea to make something similar as @kamaz Orb:Connect addon, but with UDP because I need connectionleed data exhange between Orbiter and external software and hardware devices. Right now I am mostly working in simpit field. You have no idea what is it. Usually contributing ideas and example code to @Phil Smith privately.

And... I can't see you in Orbiter contributors list on github... At least I made one liner hacky pull request to get things compiling without errors on first weeks after orbiter source code was released... Any issues or bug reports on github from you? Maybe you need to as Ai to find bugs in Orbiter spource code...

I am not professional programmer, just hoobyist, but looks like, I can be your senior programing manager and teach you how to program things correctly...

In comparison I wrote my first Orbiter addon in 2005 and have been professionally employed as an engineer since 2012, I went to university for it too. The amount of arrogance coming from you when you don't even know how to program is incredible.

You don't even KNOW my github.

 

[Urwumpe]

I don’t know your industry, but In my opinion it goes without saying that if lives literally depend on your code, that requires a different approach to safety than typical enterprise software dev.

Lets put it that way: In my industry, a simple SQL query optimization means 50 millions Euro more revenue for the customer. A module that doesn't work for a month, can cost in the multi-hundred million Euro magnitude. Bricking the whole production system could bankrupt any one country in the less fortunate half of the wealthiest nations on this planet.

Yes, the customers also want AI. But in first place, they want somebody who is both competent and accountable for the code he produces.

 

[JDat]

In comparison I wrote my first Orbiter addon in 2005 and have been professionally employed as an engineer since 2012, I went to university for it too. The amount of arrogance coming from you when you don't even know how to program is incredible.

You don't even KNOW my github.

But I know how irresponsible moneys generate code. Take AI generated code and pretend they wrote it themselves... Don't have understanding into optimization and responsibility for what they pretend they wrote.

When somebody try to express with this "years of experience" I respond really simply: "So may years in programming field, but didn't learn anything during these years..."
Try to read MISRA and understand now computers are working.

My arrogance is for one reason: "Let's use AI instead of your brains and don't care about results!"

I don't need to know your github account if you can't do anything useful with Orbiter code.

PS: How you can pretend that AI generated code have your copyrights? Sounds like cheating undergraduate student's work...

 

[nbcfrosty]

Lets put it that way: In my industry, a simple SQL query optimization means 50 millions Euro more revenue for the customer. A module that doesn't work for a month, can cost in the multi-hundred million Euro magnitude. Bricking the whole production system could bankrupt any one country in the less fortunate half of the wealthiest nations on this planet.

Yes, the customers also want AI. But in first place, they want somebody who is both competent and accountable for the code he produces.

HCLTech?

 

[Urwumpe]

HCLTech?

Is that a question?

 

[steph]

Well, I tried it a while back, and it doesn't work. At least not even the lowest level paid tier for Chat GPT, but I'm a noob. It doesn't really grasp the situation. I don't like uploading too many photos, but here's an example. And it was way worse a while ago, if only can find those screen grabs

 

[nbcfrosty]

Idk what you are trying to get it to do Steph. That’s triggering image generation through dalle. What is your goal?

 

[JDat]

Linux kernel and AS (artificial stupidity)...

 

[Urwumpe]

Linux kernel and AS (artificial stupidity)...

Yeah, for obvious reason, especially the unclear copyright situation, which can be fatal in FOSS.

 

[JDat]

"And now for something completely different!"

It’s my code, I hold the license. Also software dev is built on abstractions, no one person usually understands everything.
Do you fully understand how the TCP/IP stack works? We use code we don’t fully understand all the time.

No I don’t, I don’t have to do that.

and have been professionally employed as an engineer since 2012, I went to university for it too.

These "professionals" must be kept far far away from critical industries!