Bus Stabbing

[Chipstone306]

I read about this yesterday. As a canadian i am shocked and apalled at the level of violence in this attack it does appear to be a random attack however. my condolinces to the victims familys and all who witnessed the horrific attack

 

[Linguofreak]

Exactly. But this sounds like a ritual murder. He told the other passengers to leave the bus, before he decapitated his victim.

Where does it say that he told everyone to leave? I can't find that in the article...

Not that whether or not he told anyone to leave makes any difference to it being a ritual murder. Just the calm and robotic manner in which he apparently did it seems to establish that.

But why didn't anyone *do* anything? There had to be some time gap between the first stab and the decapitation.

I seem to recall from my German media class last semester that there was an event in Germany this spring where a couple of young idiots beat an older man to death, and none of the bystanders did a thing to help.

I suppose in both instances there was probably some sort of bystander effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

 

[Coolhand]

This is terrible! Oh my god, my thoughts go out to his family. That's seriously up that someone would do this... what the hell is this world coming to?!



I don't know about that, but if it happened here in Texas that guy would have been full of bullet holes not long after the attack began because just about everyone in Texas carries a concealed hand gun and I for one wouldn't hesitate to use it on a low life like that. He doesn't deserve a fair trial, that's just messed up!

It is ****ed up totally, so ****ed up that the guy can't be playing with a full deck. He probably doesn't deserve a fair trial, probably because he isn't sane enough to be tried like a sane individual. Fair enough if he got shot up by the other passengers, i'd probably shoot him myself for my own protection if i were in that situation, or to save the other guy if there was hope... But then i don't live in texas and in the UK we get locked up just for protecting our homes with physical force when they've be violated.

There's lots of nutters wandering around in the UK, some because they've dodged the system so far and haven't done anything terrible, some because they are mental but are under something called 'care in the community' which means that some seriously disturbed people are allowed out in the community, recieving drugs (which they might just stop taking because no one's making sure that they do on a day to day basis) and periodic visits from or to mental healthcare workers.

 

[Andy44]

I can't imagine just running away and leaving that poor man to be stabbed to death. What is wrong with people?

 

[Native Son]

We have to continue with our lives normally. We can't let this incident drag us down, even though it is screwed up.

 

[Urwumpe]

I can't imagine just running away and leaving that poor man to be stabbed to death. What is wrong with people?

You have two kinds of people in military training. The first kind gets aggressive under fire and fights without thought - these you have to drill to cool their fire a bit.

The second kind gets reluctant under fire - there you need drill to make them fight automatically, even when their fear tries to paralyze them.

I think nobody here knows, how he reacts, until in such a situation. I know from my experience in less critical situations, that I would first not believe what happens, then realize it is real and then wake up and act - I belong thus to those, who need training to over come the first two steps.

During the few car accidents, where I was providing help (OK, I pushed the car back on the road after the driver lost control in ice and snow), I needed about 2 seconds. In such a situation as in the bus: About 2 stabs too long.

 

[StarLost]

For what it is worth this event is truly appalling. The really sad part is that we would like to think such barbarity is rare here, Paul Bernardo, Karla Homolka, Robert Pickton, Clifford Olson, notwithstanding. This idiot will probably be found not guilty by reason of insanity and confined in a mental, high security facility until two doctors maintain he is "cured". Any bets on how soon that will be?

As for those critical of the other 35 passengers on the bus not doing anything ... in the middle of the night, in a confined space, facing an obviously deranged and armed animal, in a country that, for the most part, people go unarmed. Friend, you wouldn't have stepped in either. After the first stab, it was already too late.

If you were in Texas, oh yeah, the bullets MIGHT have been flying, but the victim would still have been dead. And the authorities would still have not been there, being too busy rounding up the children of another cult. No matter what place, nation, etc. we all have the same problems.

One of the first really sad jokes that has come out of it, though ... where were the RCMP and their tasers ... oh yeah, at the airport.

So instead of being mindlessly critical, offer a candle and the appropriate prayers and meditations for the loved ones of the victim. They are the ones who truly need it.

 

[movieman]

I can't imagine just running away and leaving that poor man to be stabbed to death. What is wrong with people?

According to the news reports I've read, the looney was repeatedly stabbing the guy and the other passengers thought that he was punching; by the time they even realised what was happening, he was almost certainly dead or would have been shortly afterwards.

From those reports, they got off the bus safely, kept him inside the bus by blocking the door so he couldn't get out, disabled the bus so he couldn't drive off, and held him until the police turned up and took him away. I'm not sure what else anyone could have expected them to do when faced by a knife-wielding psycho in a confined space.

As for guns/knives/etc, if someone decides they want to kill the person sleeping next to them on a bus, it doesn't much matter whether they have a chain-gun or a tea-pot, there's very little anyone can do to stop them.

 

[Linguofreak]

I can't imagine just running away and leaving that poor man to be stabbed to death. What is wrong with people?

I asked the same question upthread, and decided on my own that a big part of it might have been that everybody thought someone else would help. But even knowing human nature and how people think, there's still that lingering *why?*.

According to the news reports I've read, the looney was repeatedly stabbing the guy and the other passengers thought that he was punching; by the time they even realised what was happening, he was almost certainly dead or would have been shortly afterwards.

Quite possibly, but there's alot more room for a miracle while the guy still has a head.

 

[GregBurch]

I think there have always been psychopaths like this guy. We just hear about all of them that actually commit these kinds of crimes now, because of the way the media works now. Lizzie Borden?

An interesting question -- but one I can't think how you could answer -- is whether there are more such people now than before. I suppose you could study whether their numbers vary from society to society.

 

[willy88]

...Why?

 

[Pilot7893]

Sorry just don't see the humour or irony of the loss of a life, especially one so young, he was only 22.

In a graveyard I once saw a gravestone saying 1817-1819

 

[Tex]

If you were in Texas, oh yeah, the bullets MIGHT have been flying, but the victim would still have been dead.

ummm, ever been to Texas? No MIGHT about it, they WOULD have been flying right into his head!

 

[Harleyman]

Things like this is what keeps me renewing my concealed
handgun license. You never know when it will be necessary
to exercise that option.

 

[Tex]

Things like this is what keeps me renewing my concealed
handgun license. You never know when it will be necessary
to exercise that option.

Hey Dad, how you doing? Good to see you back on the forum.

 

[Kyle]

Things like this is what keeps me renewing my concealed
handgun license. You never know when it will be necessary
to exercise that option.

They say in the Military here in combat, always keep your firearm at the ready, even to 5 year olds (The Jihad teach like 5 year old kids to go out and shoot people and Military.) But thats only in Iraq and other country's.

This story is sick, I have the mental picture in my head of the whole thing. Its Horrid and sickening.

 

[StarLost]

ummm, ever been to Texas? No MIGHT about it, they WOULD have been flying right into his head!

Nice picking out of context.

I have been to Texas many times. My family winters in Harlingen. Your people are no more of a piece than we are. One of the US Army deserters presently up here seeking refugee status 'cause he didn't want to go to Iraq, is from Texas. Would you say the same can be said of all Texans? ... I think not.

Just as not every one of you is a pseudo Texas Ranger or John Wayne. Some of you are pacifistic ... and not just the transplantees from New York.

And Texas does have a couple of its own examples of barbaric behaviour that didn't immediately stop with bullets flying, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[StarLost]

I think there have always been psychopaths like this guy. We just hear about all of them that actually commit these kinds of crimes now, because of the way the media works now. Lizzie Borden?

An interesting question -- but one I can't think how you could answer -- is whether there are more such people now than before. I suppose you could study whether their numbers vary from society to society.

Paraphrasing Heinlein from "Time Enough for Love" from The Notebooks of Lazarus Long:

Scientists have discovered that you can make rats go insane by putting too many in too small a space. Man is the only species that voluntarily does this to himself.

 

[Harleyman]

Hey Dad, how you doing? Good to see you back on the forum.

Howdy son!!!.....................

 

[nasakid]

i havent looked at it and it sounds frightning from all these posts