Updates Boeing's CST-100 Starliner

Just want to share some pictures . Note the clean cockpit in lower equipment bay with room for the crew all down there, a picture of the under garment under the Space X suit.. the little X marks the door for the toilet and the is a curtain which conceals that area and last a look at the cluttered Stat liner LEB
 

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Urwumpe said:
Mostly due to their volume budget and allocation.
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That was my first thought. It's due to the limited volume budget.

Urwumpe said:
Pressurized volume is always expensive, primary structure (the structure keeping the pressurized volume pressurized) always heavy.
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Do you mean the "pressure vessel"?

STS was a big game changer in many ways I guess. Its waste collection system was very nice. Although privacy was limited even there, since you only had a privacy curtain. But do you really need a "toilet" in space? I think zero gravity makes a lot of things easier, especially if there is not a lot of space available. The waste collection system on board the ISS is already a more simplified version compared to the Shuttle. And I think even the corresponding crew system for Apollo did its job well. It was only hard in case of Mercury and Gemini. Both capsules did not even really differ in terms of pressurized space. According to James Lovell, it was time to land at the end of Gemini 7 mission, basically due to bad odors the ECS could not filter out anymore.

I think comfort is not what you are looking for in a capsule anyway, outside the crew couches. But zero gravity makes the difference once you are in space.
 
barrygolden said:
Just want to share some pictures . Note the clean cockpit in lower equipment bay with room for the crew all down there, a picture of the under garment under the Space X suit.. the little X marks the door for the toilet and the is a curtain which conceals that area and last a look at the cluttered Stat liner LEB
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Boring 😜

Remember that Starliner carries special emergency equipment on its test flight.

That's what a spacecraft should look (and sound) like:


🥰 Soyuz is very special anyway, due to it's orbital module. I really love that design.


That's what I expect a trip in space to be like:


Dragon is like a smart girl, but it misses almost every sexual characteristics... :p 🤷‍♂️
 
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TheShuttleExperience said:
TDo you mean the "pressure vessel"?
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"Primary Structure" is (roughly) the manned spaceflight term for a special pressure vessel, but of course, only if its containing living humans and their habitable conditions. 😉

All other structures in manned spaceflight are "secondary structure".
 
Urwumpe said:
"Primary Structure" is (roughly) the manned spaceflight term for a special pressure vessel, but of course, only if its containing living humans and their habitable conditions. 😉

All other structures in manned spaceflight are "secondary structure".
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Never heard of it 🤷‍♂️😅 NASA always writes "pressure vessel" below photo descriptions.
 
TheShuttleExperience said:
Never heard of it 🤷‍♂️😅 NASA always writes "pressure vessel" below photo descriptions.
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Was in my manned spaceflight lecture back in the days and I think you can also find this difference in some ISS training manuals. :cool:

I remembered it, because it actually made sense from an engineering point of view, where saving mass is easily allowed and where rather not....
 
Frilock said:
I'm not fan of starliner, but dear god, this headline....

www.theguardian.com

Two US astronauts stuck in space as Boeing analyzes Starliner problems

Barry Wilmore and Sunita Williams have spent better part of month in ISS as engineers work out problem
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

They even changed it. First headline said they were 'Stranded' 🤦‍♂️
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Yeah. In Germany it was like "moment of shock before docking due to malfunction of the propulsion system"... 🤷‍♂️

This is really stupefaction of the people.
 
Urwumpe said:
Was in my manned spaceflight lecture back in the days and I think you can also find this difference in some ISS training manuals. :cool:
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Didn't read a lot of ISS stuff yet. I'm not even sure if I will ever reach a presentable level of knowledge regarding the ISS. I'm still stuck with other historic missions and systems.

But I love "old" lecture. Even if it is aging, you can still learn a lot.
 
Frilock said:
I'm not fan of starliner, but dear god, this headline....

They even changed it. First headline said they were 'Stranded' 🤦‍♂️
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Mainstream media will always blow things out of proportion even if in reality it isn't.

This is similar to a time when a certain media outlet declared the cosmonauts aboard Salyut 7 were stranded when a replacement Soyuz (T-10-A) suffered a major launch failure in 1983
 
Urwumpe said:
And that is just the "mainstream media". You don't want to imagine how it looks like in the lower decks of the internet.
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And in the society. I dared to take a look into the break room at work yesterday, the first time for 6 months. I immediately realized why I wasn't there for 6 months. So I left within a few minutes (after I checked that my mailbox was as empty as six months ago anyway...). Instead, I had a nice stay in the holding sidings, alone, below a wonderful blue sky. So I read spaceflight-related stuff on my tablet and prepared two stabled trains during my on-call duty.

5 minutes of random talk in a job that does not require "higher-end" education, and I get headaches. It's the continuation of the nonsense going on at social media and the tabloid press...
 
TheShuttleExperience said:
5 minutes of random talk in a job that does not require "higher-end" education, and I get headaches. It's the continuation of the nonsense going on at social media and the tabloid press...
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Yeah, and the worst of it all: They all think they understood the topic and heard everything in the news that they need to know. That they simply got the advertisement and didn't even read the full article (which is usually hidden in their favorite tabloid behind the sport news), no problem, how could they even learn to check how solid their knowledge is and how well they are really informed? That the news simply write the opposite a few days later is no problem, they have forgotten what they wrote before anyway...
 
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Sbb1413 said:
This might be one of the reasons I have never used the 7X7 planes for flying. I always use the A32X planes.
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An airliner has nothing to do with a manned spacecraft. It's a different branch with different people involved. The 737 might be discusses in another thread or in an airliner forum.
 
TheShuttleExperience said:
An airliner has nothing to do with a manned spacecraft. It's a different branch with different people involved. The 737 might be discusses in another thread or in an airliner forum.
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I would say, some problems are rather related to the top-level management and corporate culture. And thus, of course the same over different departments. Of course, the departments can have their own exclusive problems, too....
 
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