News 75th Aniversary of D-Day

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...D. Day (Day of Deliverance)...


D-day and H-hour were standard military terms used to describe the day and hour that an operation would start and dates back to WWI. There were actually several "D-days" during WWII before Operation Overlord. After Overlord, the general public became aware of the term and calling the start of the Normandy Campaign as D-Day became commonplace. To avoid confusion, the military began using other designations. (A-Day, L-Day, X-Day).
 

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Luckily Patton wasn't a politician, so could say what he thought.


Well, he couldn't. :lol: He got into trouble for MANY statements during and after the war.



Pattons assessment was pretty wrong (he did not see the better equipped units around Berlin, though they had really been far less well equipped than the western allies), but the key statement was right there: The time was then. Either you had been willed to fight then, when the situation was least bad. Or you have to accept defeat in that moment and a prolonged low-intensity conflict later. We got the cold war instead of a hot war.


And then remember how people felt about letting Germany into the NATO in 1955 and arm us again... a hot war against the USSR right after WW2 would have been impossible without arming the Germans again. (Because you had the pool of combat experienced trained people - it would have been very hard to reject all demands to use them)
 

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Fighting the Red Army in 1945 would have been suicidal, even with Patton in command.
I think the British Army might well have mutinied, they had been told they were fighting Hitler, not "Uncle Joe".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/mutiny_01.shtml

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Air_Force_mutiny

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Oh didn't know about those mutinies.



I just remember that the current German army was founded in secrecy, with planning starting just five years after WW2, under the poetic name "Dienststelle des Bevollmächtigten des Bundeskanzlers für die mit der Vermehrung der alliierten Truppen zusammenhängenden Fragen" (literally: Office of the commissioner of the federal chancellor for questions related to the multiplication of the allied troops), because the population was opposed to militarism after WW2.
 

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The mutinies aren't well know even in the UK. I only knew from Military History magazines, and they aren't reported much in them.
From a military history aspect I suppose they aren't that important.

Also, a General Election was held in July(just when the allies were attacking the Red Army) and Churchill and the Conservatives lost badly, Labour Party won.
People recognised that Churchill the War Leader wasn't ideal for post-war duty.

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